Standing ovation for you! Your post perfectly summarizes the question a lot of people is asking here. And I think the answer is just this: It is unfortunate, really. Like another user said, if they redo the chest and face that MP could be near to spectacular, even if the torso is too human like and sexualized for me. I too think that the chest cannot slide up, unfortunately
Nothing is wrong. He's giving his point and you don't agree. But ER seems to fit the intended aesthetic party better than MP-51 as far as I can see.
I said he was "wrong" because his assertion is that 'toon Arcee is what the design is trying (and failing) to achieve. And I say, no, the intended endpoint was instead Hironori Kobayashi's "idealized" Arcee, to which they succeeded. If the design intent was to be animation accurate, they would have done that.
Hasui is most likely behind the Earthrise Arcee right? It looks like a cheaper version of what I imagine his MP Arcee would have looked like, had things continued that way. Hopefully they haven't differentiated MP Arcee needlessly because of Earthrise's existence because there's a lot about it that looks better.
I beg to differ. The side view pictures we got for MP-51 are very close to the profile sketch in the middle, "up-turned boobs" and everything. Not to mention that Kobayashi has had another ~6 years to refine his design, so it's not necessary that the toy be exactly identical to his Generations design sketches, but you can definitely follow the design history leading up to MP-51.
Pretty sure the "chest" on both are designed the same , with 51's collar being a little longer. Looking at that line art, besides the eyes being to big and the chin being too pointy, they actually don't do a bad job of capturing "geisha" face. It might have been you that mentioned she actually has a pretty delicate face making it more difficult to portray in 3d. I don't think any Arcee out does a good case of that, I wonder if this is a case of perception, and how we see her, going by that line art anyway.
With those pink loafers, it throws the whole thing off. I probably would have got ER Arcee over MP Arcee if it weren't for that weird choice.
That would be correct if the result (after about 6 - SIX - years) was better than or similar to the original project. But the end result is worse than the project so yes, you can follow the path and see how it lead to a failed implementation, aesthetic-wise. I also quote on the following, and that IMHO validates the statement above: I would also like to understand why Arcee's arms are pink on the MP... They were white in the cartoon. That seems another decision the designer took the liberty to take. <Scratching my head> Would they be white on the definitive version? Who knows?!
Well MP51 most of the body is probably a done deal, but it may not be final with the face, plus Takara will likely include other face options that might be more pleasing to us. This is the company that included two different shapes of Optimus heads when many would have taken just the one and been never the wiser, so I have to think Takara may already have plans to address the "many faces of Arcee". The Earthrise one on the other hand only has one shot to get it right, and so far is just a CAD model where HasTak can make tweaks still on the computer. We'll have to wait until NYTF to maybe see if the real one and if it will really have as nice of a face (likely, but unfortunately not guaranteed).
Yes, in the 1986 movie? But in the cartoon they were white (or almost white) if I remember correctly. Maybe that's the reason they are pink in the MP.
It could be that her arms were white in AKOM episodes if that was part of the outdated character model they used...I'll have to find a comparison!
The ER chest doesn’t become the hood of the car. This allows for a higher level of positioning. MP Arcee has to go beyond where ER is by having the chest become the hood, which results in the whole hood/neck/head needing to slide over the shoulders and resting in the back.
Yeah. At this point, the ER-Arcee's facesculpt and non-grannybewbs are just much better than the equivalent parts of MP-51. The MP-team really need to get their A-game on MP-51...
Hasui was moved off of the MP team years ago. MP-21 Bumblebee was his last entry in the line. There won’t be any impact on the MP line as a result of his working on ER. He also worked on Siege and has been designer on the generations line since Combiner wars. P.S. You have two point Cs in your post.
But that’s just comparing apples to oranges. They are designed to satisfy two different purposes. What’s the deal with the Takara design team bashing?
