Doctor Who Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Movies and Television' started by deathsheadx, Apr 5, 2008.

  1. LegoShokwave123

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    Because they people in charge of the show right now are hacks that fail to care about the show they're writing for and its history.

    For instance, we just got Gallifrey back and that sod Chibnall blew it up again.
     
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    The Sea Devils - Not bad, but very slow paced. This one most definitely did not need to be 6 episodes long. They should have cut off at least one episode and given it to Peladon. It was nice to see the Master again but my god was the warden dumb as all hell. Also, he pretty much sexually assaulted Jo every time he was around her as he was always grabbing and touching her, yet, Jo never said a word. I did like the insults the Doctor puts towards him. The navy stuff was pretty awesome too and it was pretty badass that a lot of those soldiers were actual soldiers. I'm not exactly sure how the Sea Devils are related to the Silurians as they looked nothing like them though. It was a clever idea nonetheless despite it going into some redundancy from the Silurians story. As I said though, the biggest issue was the pacing. The show could have done just fine without that scene in the fort as it didn't serve any purpose to the story at all. Still, Delgado's performance really sold this one and I loved the sword duel between him and the Doctor.
     
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    I completely agree with him about Jeremy Brett.
     
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    Thanks for that. Fun interview.
     
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    You never mentioned that though. As I said you were being extremely vague the entire post to the point where NOTHING you said was a spoiler.

    Did you look away from the screen while she was talking? As I said before, we actually do see her do this right as she's saying it. It doesn't happen off screen. It happens in a flash back shown right on screen at the same time she's talking about it. This is a spy movie troupe that happens all the time in James Bond and other similar movies where as the main character is explaining what happened the events are being shown on screen in a flash back with the narration over it. The episode is titled Spy Fall after all so of course they're going to use that same spy movie trope having the Doctor narrate over the flash back showing exactly how she did it.

    Happening off screen means it's never shown at all, the character just says what happened and we never see it which is not what happened here.

    Again not at all what happens. We see her doing it at the exact same time that she's explaining what she did. Seriously, were you even actually watching the episode or just listening to it? You keep saying we never see it when we did in fact see it right as she's saying it. Do you understand what a flash back is? Have you ever seen a spy movie before? It's perfectly clear that they did in fact show it.

    Apparently I need to rewatch that episode cause I don't even remember that... I mostly only remember the Missy parts and the weird editing with the scenes of young Davros.
     
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    Orphan 55 - Okay, I thought everyone was just exargerating at how bad this episode was since it was just a new Doctor Who episode but hooooooooooooooooolyyyyyyyyy shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit was this one bad, really bad. Perhaps one of the worst episodes of the entire series. Almost as bad as The Horns of Nimon, The Twin Dilemma, and Sleep No More. First off, I felt like I was watching an episode that had its beginning cut off because Graham just randomly puts together some box that is lying in the Tardis and they are teleported to some resort place. I was totally lost and thought I missed a prologue before the opening credits or something, but nope there was nothing there. Then the episode has all of these characters in it but doesn't do a thing to get me to give a damn about a single one of them due to how fast paced and rushed everything was. Suddenly it turns out the asshole lady is the mother of the person Ryan made friends with? WHAT?! Oh, and it turns out that humans don't expand into space and the Earth is burned by the sun as has been stated by the show for 15 years, but rather humanity wipes itself out in nuclear war. What the fuck? No seriously, WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?! Who was the dumbass moron that thought any of this episode was a good idea? Lastly, good god was the CGI horrible even for Doctor Who standards.

    Nikolai Tesla: Night of Terrors - Thank the gods we're back to a somewhat competently written episode. They got Tesla right and they got the thieving assholery that is Edison correct, so that's good. Though, the dude that got to play Tesla is no David Bowie. Anyway, this episode was doing pretty well until the spider-queen reject from "The Runaway Bride" came in with blackface. Oh wait, my mistake. That was a scorpion queen. My point is, just like the over the top, overacting spider-queen she too was over the top and over acted way too much. And those teeth were utterly ridiculous. Fortunately, the rest of the episode was highly enjoyable, especially when compared to that orphan that should have been aborted with extreme prejudice.

    I am a bit disappointed there was no mention of this Timeless Child plot. You would think the Doctor would have been focusing on that at the beginning of Orphan, but nah, who had time for that.
     
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    We finished off Pertwee's third season just a few minutes ago.

    The Mutants - I don't know what happened with this one, but it was quite subpar. It started off strong with a solid first part, then the second and third episodes dragged on quite immensely, which were followed up by another solid fourth and fifth, only to have thing slow down for the finale. I did like the social commentary on imperialism, but beyond that, everything was extremely predictable as it moved exactly how you would expect it to, and didn't do anything exciting with it. The costumes for the mutants were very well done, though the chroma key effects left a lot to be desired, especially when Not-Conan was knocked into space. Fortunately, Pertwee gave a solid performance here that kept all of his scenes fun to watch.

    The Time Monster - Ohhhhhhhhhhh boy, this one makes The Mutants look exciting. Hell, watching a pot boil is more intriguing than this complete and utter borefest. Even Delgado couldn't save this train wreck, which is not only the worst story of Pertwee's since Ambassadors of Death, but is just flat out his worst story thus far. Additonally, it's easily one of the worst stories in the entire franchise. Anyway, I did like the concept of Kronos, however, none of it made any sense and the first four episodes moved at the pace of a snail. I would love to say things got way more interesting once they reached Atlantis, but I would be lying because the novelty of that wore off very quickly. Not to mention the Doctor beat the minotaur in such ridiculous fashion even by Doctor Who standards. Oh, and then there is the whole baby Benton thing and the awkwardness of how this story ended. Who thought THAT was a good way to end the season? I'm not sure if I should be crying in terror of for how embrassing that was. Either way, this was not a good tale by any means. It also did not need to be more than 2 episodes in length.

    Overall, I do not know what happened this season as Day of the Daleks was such an incredible story, but then each subsequent tale got progressively worse in each installment. Thus my ranking of this season is simply the order of the stories.

    1. Day of the Daleks
    2. The Curse of Peladon
    3. The Sea Devils
    4. The Mutants
    5. The Time Monster

    I really hope things improve with the next season as this season in the end became a chore to sit through.
     
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    So, this episode in two words:

    Holy.

    Shit.

    This episode started off really normal, but by the halfway mark the plot twists were flying left and right. My jaw was on the floor for the last twenty minutes and I am so incredibly stoked to see where the show is going because I have no fucking clue.

    Assuming Chibnall doesn't drop the ball again, of course.
     
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    I have little hope that he won't. I'm more afraid that he plans to rewrite Doctor Who cannon and undo various history with this storyline by rewriting time.
     
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    Personally, I like Pertwee a lot less when he's traveling in the Tardis. The UNIT episodes are much stronger than most of his traveling stuff. Get used to the sudden two-episode plot line that takes place in another random location from the rest of the story that you saw in The Time Monster, because that shit comes back later.

    Given Chibnall's background as a long-time fan of the show from back in the day, the references to the "Timeless Child," and everything that happened in the back half of this episode, I'm really curious if we're seeing some form of the Cartmel Masterplan.
     
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    Is the Timeless Child something from the old series? Must be Hartnell then or a missing story from Troughton.

    I do agree his UNIT episodes are stronger, but I have gotten a tad bored of him being stranded on Earth as sometimes it gets a tad redundant, especially when the Master keeps popping up. Hell, Benton should have just shot him in this Time Monster episode given that he already knows what the Master is capable of.

    Don't get me wrong, Delgado is fantastic as the Master, but he really suffers from James Bond Villain Syndrome. I'm waiting for one of his lackeys to say, "Hey, I've got a gun in my office. I can run up there, grab it, and we can shoot them together."
     
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    Delgado passes away so the master will be used a lot less soon and Jo leaves eventually leading to Sarah Jane taking over as companion.
     
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    No, it's new. It just reminds me of some stuff that script editor Andrew Cartmel was planning to do during McCoy's era before the show was cancelled.
     
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    By coincidence I had Brain of Morbius on as background over a week ago and there was this scene where Morbius and the Doctor have a psychic showdown, Morbius goes through the Doctors regenerations and we see faces before the first. I understand this has been retconned but it may work out another way.
    Perhaps there were thirteen Doctors before the first only those of a Gallifreyan human hybrid that travelled alone (which Snowmen, Angels in Manhatten and Runaway Bride hints he shouldn't do) and his exploits best describes the Pandorica prisoner which at the end was granted more regenerations and used the chameleon arch to be reborn as the pure Gallifreyan Doctor we know, only like the Master in Utopia he came back as a child.
    Those older Doctors are now unknown as with the timeline being in flux saw fit to remove their exploits, only thirteen or the Master undid something unravelling this past self.
    That said the Tardis being a police box suggests this is an alternate version of the Doctor as the Tardis has had a faulty chameleon circuit since first.
     
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    My theory on the latest episode

    The "other Doctor" is Jenny. As a clone, she'd identify as the same being under a genetic scan. Having been created three faces before 13, she'd have no memory of that form, and it's entirely reasonable that in some distant future, she's inherited her dad's (mum's?) name and TARDIS after the Doctor died / retired. I think she seemed a bit cagey talking about who she really is, so on learning the Doctor's identity needed to hide the connection. She could well be the weapon sent back to take on the Cybermen.
     
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    Interesting idea, but shes got her own thing going, plus I don't think Chibnal is smart enough to come up with that.
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    Plus she teamed up with her dad (actual dad) in a multi Doctor crossover last year
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    But they brought Jack back so who knows.