I would honestly be more invested if at least one of the IDW books was more closely tied in with Siege / Earthrise.

 

Other than the inconsistent artwork and slow pacing of the plot, I’m excited to see where it goes next.

This is afterall, the first entry in the new continuity. So it’ll take some time for the worldbuilding and characters to get off their feet. And I’m patient enough to stay and find out.

I would like IDW to introduce other ideas like new cosmic beings/concepts to the mythos as well.

 

Furman took six issues with Infiltration to get IDW1 started. If a world cannot be built in six issues, then it should have been passed to someone who could.

It’s just tedious for the reader for world building to continue being told. We already had a good world built with IDW1. I’d have preferred Ruckley to have been given that world to continue telling stories about than making up his own.

 

They’re clearly doing a different approach here. And one that is understandably longer. The tension is bound to be less if there is no war involved which Infiltration didn’t have to worry about. And it took way longer to build IDW1’s world than just instantly from Infiltration. Infiltration just set the stage for what was to come (characters/storylines) which this comic is doing. But not in the same way.

And I mean, Furman is a genius and has already had plenty of experience writing Transformers prior. This is a new team still trying to find their knack.

Is it tedious? Maybe. But that doesn’t make it a bad comic. Any real criticisms I have are incremental. At this point, I’d rather wait for the series to be completed before I compare it to anything IDW1 related.

 

Even comparing the current number of issues of IDW2 to the same number of starting issues from IDW1, IDW1 is still far superior.

We had Stormbringer from the eighth issue of IDW1 which was amazing at the time. We don’t have anything coming close to Stormbringer with IDW2, not even Galaxies.

 

Agreed. But still, I appreciate what we are getting.

 

You appreciate Transformers known for their fighting and intense action scenes standing around talking about politics? Oh, and someone punches someone else a few times once every three or four issues. I’m fine with there being politics on Cybertron but this is almost nothing but politics.

Megatron beating down Shockwave was a decent scene, but it’s the only decent scene. Cyclonus talking to ghosts was intriguing but that didn’t go anywhere.

Change is only good when it’s good change. Changing it so that it is worse than before is not welcome change. I can’t see what you appreciate about this book at all. I’m sure we don’t need the world continued to be built at this stage. The book should really have been condensed into a much tighter story. If the main book was condensed into half as many issues, I’m sure nothing of importance would have been lost.

And what of the newcomers this book is supposedly for? Why would they be interested in continuing to buy such a book when it has nothing to really grasp the reader into continuing to read it?

 

At the end of the day, whether somebody likes or dislikes something is an opinion. You don’t speak for everyone else and nor do I. Your criticisms are warranted and quite frankly, I’d like to see more robots bashing each other too but I don’t entirely mind the political mumbo jumbo.

I’d like to imagine once this series ends, we’ll be open to more of what we got in IDW1. It’s more or less a pilot series. Testing the waters and treading safely. I’m pretty sure we’re supposed to be getting 18 issues in total. The comic will probably end with a cliffhanger leading into the sequel series which will undoubtedly feature the war commencing.

A lot of people that I’ve met in the fandom who never quite got into IDW1 don’t give IDW2 too much flak. The main consensus is that they want to see more action and less talk.

I want to be clear that this series isn’t anything spectacular. I just think of it as a average-decent Transformers book. I come back to each new issue not only because I’m a fan, but I’m enjoying myself more times than not when reading it.

 

Seriously, are you really this opposed to other people liking this comic? If this isn't for you, fine. I'm not super interested in it myself. But you don't have to argue with every positive thing anyone has to say about the book. Chill out. There will be other comics. Maybe you'll even enjoy them.

 

One could just as easily ask if "are you really this opposed to other people disliking the comic?" If you're not "super interested" in it yourself, why are you here, telling others how to talk about it?

Nobody needs to chill out. Nobody needs to be more positive. Nobody needs to 'agree or leave.' Bass XO is not being insulting, threatening, hostile, or inappropriate. He's not telling people to get over it, or to be silent. Is it that hard to just breeze over his posts and reply to the posts you DO want to read?

It's been said before... this is what this forum is for. It's why we're here, and why we can all post our opinions. A forum is a place where discussions happen and opinions are voiced. Transformers is not important, but a fandom is a little corner of real life that we set aside to treat these things as more important than they are, with no shame.

We come here to rave about stuff we like... or rant about the stuff we don't like... or debate with other people who take this stuff too seriously like we do (ie: other fans). If you're unhappy about a series, having a good communal bitch-session is fine. If you're happy, you can have a big love-in and put the series on a pedestal. Either thing is on-topic, and should be welcome here.

Disagree with someone about a comic? Fine. But don't turn the conversation into a whole thing about whether someone should even be allowed to express their dislike of the comic, or tell them they should go elsewhere, or "get over it".

zmog

 

No, of course anyone is welcome to dislike or like the comic. I just don't understand the need to argue with someone else's enjoyment of the comic.

I Iike this community and want it to be open to everybody. I definitely didn't tell anyone to agree or leave. If you're going to respond, please read the damn comment.

I actually entirely agree. My issue was that he was arguing with other people's subjective enjoyment of the comic. Criticism consists of making points and refuting them. If someone says they enjoy something, there is no way to "disagree" with their enjoyment.

I never said he shouldn't have the right to voice his opinion. I never said he should go elsewhere. This entire paragraph is a strawman. It isn't even a very good one.

 

Sorry, I see the same old scarecrow arguments so often, I pretty much just cut & paste the same argument every time.  

I didn't really observe the behaviour you're accusing BassXO of, so I suspect you may have some straw on your hands too. It sure came across as trying to shout someone down simply because they are holding the 'negative' side of an ongoing debate that both sides are participating in... not by offering a different opinion, but undermining the very idea that they should be expressing theirs.

Reviewing your comment, that still seems like pretty much exactly what you did.

zmog

 

I don’t mind political discussion in Transformers comics when it’s written in an interesting and intriguing way. I’m saying political discussion in this comic comes across as dry and tedious.

A pilot series of this nature should only last six issues, not eighteen. After six issues, the story should have hit the ground running not plodding along slowly. The only positive so far was the Megatron beatdown of Shockwave. It should have been more like that, not what we are getting.

 

In conclusion, I’m not tearing my hair piece by piece because the comic isn’t exactly what I want it to be. I like it and that’s all I can say.