AHM

 

RE-READ what I said, especially the links provided. I NEVER said every movie. I was referring specifically to the person whose post I quoted, and specifically to the point he made. 

 

Man Of Iron and Shooting Star from the Marvel comics.

 

Wow you're really complaining about something that isnt a big deal but no pikachu wants his way if he doesnt get what he wants hes gonna throw a tantrum.

 

But Bumblebee was intended to be a lower-budget movie from the start. The intention was to put Bumblebee between two of the bigger movies (kind of like how Marvel did Ant-Man 2 after Infinity War...to give people something smaller before the next big event). There's nothing inherently wrong with lower-budget franchise movies (personally, I think we could use a lot more...not everything has to be an Avengers-level mega hit).

Even with it's lower budget, Bumblebee was able to have robots on screen for longer than Bay's movies, relative to the runtime. There are a lot less human-only scenes in Bumblebee than in Bay's movies, and they tend to be shorter. The action scenes are very satisfying. And it's the first movie to have an entire sequence on Cybertron. I'm not sure what's lacking that a Bay-level budget would have fixed.

We don't know if future movies will be low-budget or not. I would guess they'll be higher than Bumblebee, but lower than Bay's movies. Which I would love. It would force them to devote more effort towards the story and character development instead of making it effects-driven. There won't be diminishing returns if they make movies that connect with people.

 

Well how else are they?

If anything, The Last Knight didn’t even reference another franchise and that still sucked and bombed hard.

Again, “new storytelling universe”

I also find it ironic how in the few comments you have here, not one did you mention any good storyline worth adapting

 

First off, I did not bring up Bay, don't meatshield him for BB's mediocrity. Second, literally look back in the thread.

These are more subjective(the human shit being straight-up wrong) in an objective argument. I'm going no further than that

 

Funny how you didn't answer the question.

 

Potassium in this thread yes

 

this idea will probably be shot down but I would like to see the UT and beast wars adapted for film. lets start the late 90s/early 2000s nostalgia begin.

 

Sure, they're subjective, but do you disagree? Do you think Bumblebee had bad action or lacked enough Bumblebee screentime? It's fine if you hold those opinions, but they don't seem like common complaints. And lack of robot screentime was a big complaint about the Bay movies. I haven't heard anyone complaining that Bumblebee wasn't in his movie enough. Most people seem to think he feels like a co-protagonist.

I just don't quite get the argument here. People are criticizing Bumblebee for being too low-budget, but the only flaw people are pointing too are that it was too "formulaic". I assume because the plot is reminiscent of stuff like ET and Iron Giant. That's a fair complaint, but it has little (or nothing) to do with the budget. It was a storytelling choice, probably conceived in the same writers room that would have brought us more big-budget movies had TLK not flopped. And that complaint applies to the '07 film too (Bay was heavily inspired by Spielberg's movies, it's a clear homage to ET). Not to mention the Bay sequels more or less use the same formula, and repeat a lot of aspects (like Cybertron coming to Earth twice).

I'm not sure how giving Bumblebee a Bay-level budget would have improved it. The"formulaic" complaint still would have applied. And it probably would have been considered a flop, considering a Bumblebee solo movie wouldn't have brought in as much money as a main "event" movie.

 

This one

 

I've always thought that a reboot could start by adapting Infiltration and go from there.

 

Dude....what?

More subjective arguments to explain subjective argument, at this point just keep going. Literally all I said is that I need no more Bee and somehow you three managed to take it this far lol

 

A basket case? What the hell are you on about? She was a teenager who lost her father, and the only sane person in the whole movie. And the muscle cars were triple changers, with very different modes that looked nothing alike.

I really want someone to do a serious adaptation of Shadowplay. Thats one of my favorite stories. It doesn't have to be the exact same, but the concept is something that deserves to be used in future films or shows.

 

Here's a fun fact for you. Not only can I read; I read in multiple languages and two different alphabets.

So perhaps it is actually you that needs to re-read what other members are actually saying? Because Bumblebee definitely was brainstormed in the writing room, and one if its writers was a member of the writing room. It was as much as a product of the writers' room as The Last Knight.

 

I'm not trying to challenge your opinion that you don't need or want more Bumblebee. That's a completely valid opinion. If you dislike the movie and want them to abandon that direction, that's okay. You like what you like, and you dislike what you dislike. You don't really need to justify that beyond "Hey, I didn't really care for Bumblebee, I'd prefer to see something different next time".

But that's not "all you said". When I tried to refute claims by another poster that I found inaccurate, you stepped into the discussion and appeared to defend those claims. Which is fine, except you didn't actually provide any arguments or evidence for why I was wrong. You claimed my statement about robot/human screentime was "straight up wrong", but you didn't explain how I was wrong, or give any facts. If you think I'm wrong, I want to hear why. But saying stuff like "Dude...what" isn't a rebuttal to my claims. If you don't want to debate, you should probably have just led with "Hey, I didn't really care for Bumblebee, I'd prefer to see something different next time". That's a statement no one can argue with.

 

You didn't offer a proper solution.

You also brought him up yourself.

Maybe you shouldn’t ”meatshield” him, whatever that means.

BB is our new reboot and start to a new shared universe, and it's here to stay baby.

 

I don't really agree with that. He wasn't even a character, really. Because he had no motivation or even personality. He wasn't even himself, because for the majority of the movie, he was basically a cute pet with no memory. Then at the end, he got his memory back and returned to being the character we saw in the first 5 minutes of the movie. But during the middle 100 minutes, he was nothing. The two Decepticons were characters maybe, for the little screentime they had.