In my defense:

I didn't actually know that Jon was a member of the boards. Would I have not written what I did if I knew? No. I did not insult him in the least. And I quote:

I merely stated that another voice actor is better at impersonating Cullen than Jon. I made no attack at him, other than the last sentence. And if that's what you guys think is my attempt at offending him into paying attention to me, you're sorely mistaken. I stated my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

Me and Peter Cullen are two different people. I am allowed to have an opinion that differs from his.

(Tho' I must admit, Pete's not that wrong... Jake's just better.)

 

I think they have strong and weak points between them both.

At the end of the day Cyberverse isn't Shakespeare, but J. Tillman has had much better material to work with, and more material overall, than J. Bailey did in the half-hour total runtime Combiner Wars. I'd like it if Jon Bailey took it upon himself to read for Optimus on some Cyberverse clips and then dub himself in over Tillman's part just so we can actually compare them 1to1.

But that might be considered a dick move in the production and YT circles they both occupy...

 

You mean Honest Trailers?

By the way, that's probably a Rule 1 violation.

 

The mods will judge that one for us, I reckon. They'd most likely do it without us needing to mention.  

 

I concur.

 

I retract my previous statements. I have to admit there is some times a fine line between just having an opinion and being insulting for the sake of being insulting. Being that you explained it like this it really doesn't sound as intentional as I had first thought.

I still don't see how Jake is better though... He doesn't sound like Cullen at all to me and is just barely better than that horrible PS2 game voice actor. Jon is almost indistinguishable from Cullen. Seriously watch the hologram scene from the Bumblebee movie trailer which is Jon Bailey doing the voice there and compare that to the same scene in the finished film which is Peter Cullen. I wouldn't even know they had different voice actors if Jon hadn't mentioned voicing Optimus in the trailers.

He also stated that Optimus was always intended to be Peter Cullen but he just hadn't recorded his lines yet. Jon just acted as a place holder in the trailers.

 

I apologize. I made a statement that caused strife, and maybe should've toned it down a bit.

 

Saw the Sharkticon ep.

...

Yep.

That’s all I got.

 

One of the weaker ones in the bunch but ultimately it seems like these 'journey back home' episodes are serving for character moments +

Spoiler

foreshadowing Quintessons in S3, mucho excited

so I like them for that reason, but having a season 'climax' halfway through then fizzle out to downtime is an odd choice. S1 did pace itself better to more cathartic finale than S2.

 

I don’t know. These episodes just feel so hollow.

 

If they don't follow up on the Sharkticons, Screamer, The Titan, Quints, etc then yes these are wasted airtime. If these are seeds for S3 and they get fleshed out more I think they'll be worthy.

 

Instrumentality comes across as not a happy ending but given the abject misery and violence that precedes Third Impact it can seem like a relief for all involved. It is generally accepted that you’re supposed to find what SEELE are planning is horrifying to the extreme without some gormless dolt clutching their cheeks and exclaiming “Oh the humanity”. The movie assumes you’re smart enough to know that on your own.

In fact now you’ve said that, I’m going to try and watch more of Cyberverse - only season 1 is on Aus Netflix - because I’m honestly intrigued at the notion of Starscream’s plan being anything like what you said.

 

This is why I don't like to judge a series too harshly while it's still running and wait till we've actually seen the completed series. Or in short why I'm completely against the title of this thread.

It's impossible to know if Cyberverse is trash at this point in time because the show is still running. The OP seems to think it is before even giving the series a real chance. And a get it a lot of episodes individually are really bad. Like they did that whole thing of Megatron trying to convince humans that the Autobots were the bad guys and then it's never mentioned or brought up again and with them heading back to Cybertron it seems like a total waste of screen time. But we also have no idea what the writers have planned in future episodes. We could see the Autobots try to go back to Earth at some point only to find they're not welcome on Earth anymore because of what Megatron did. Until this show is done for good and there's no chance that they could ever revisit these dangling plot threads we can't really be too hard on them just because they didn't wrap it up in the same episode.

I had the same reaction to the Last Jedi. I understand why people didn't like that movie. As a stand alone film it's not a good movie. But it's the middle movie in a planned trilogy and people are treating it like Rise of Skywalker was never going to happen. Like everything in that movie was said and done and couldn't be fixed in the next movie. Meanwhile I'm over here like... um guys there's still another movie after this, it doesn't matter if the middle movie said Rey's parent's are nobodies because that's a pretty obvious misdirection and they're not going to reveal the real truth till the last movie. Now after the Rise of Skywalker if that movie sucks I'll be right there with everyone else because there isn't another movie that's going to come around in another two years to fix it. This is the last movie in the trilogy, their last chance to make these films good.

Same thing goes with Cyberverse... once the series is done then we can really talk about how good or bad it was. But right now to judge the series as a whole as trash based on a few stand alone episodes that were trash is just wrong. By that standard EVERYTHING is trash because no matter how good the over all series was, there's always at least one episode no one likes.

 

The new ep about Arcee & Grimlock was fun.

 

I kinda wish Sky-Byte had been introduced in the Sharkticon episode instead of that whole rivalry with Jetfire thing he could of been the one to unite all the Sharkticons together.

 

Ah, the age old argument of “It’S fOr KiDs!!!!!!!”

Not having to be a masterpiece doesn’t mean a show is allowed to be bad.

 

All in all...

Cyberverse is just kind of there. It has some interesting ideas but doesn't do much with them.

It's serviceable, I suppose, I don't think it's bad. Just not great, either.

 

How does that argument even still exist on a web site full of mostly adult fans who lived threw an era where kid shows were so well written that we're still fans of the shows as an adult instead of outgrowing them because they're just "stupid kids shows". No one is expecting Amazingly great writing out of these things but that doesn't mean we still can't point out flaws anyway. Just because a show is made for kids does not automatically equal that it has to be bad. Just because a show is made for adults does not automatically equal that it has to be good. That argument can only get you so far and people should stop trying to use to deflect criticism away from a cartoon.

Rescue Bots is literally a show made for babies and toddlers and so I don't hold it up to the same standards as other TF media made for an older audience but that doesn't mean it's beyond any criticism at all.

 

And besides, Rescue Bots is actually good.