Not a claim made by the original movies, thus invalid.

 

I don’t know why people can't accept that Lucas said the Sith cause an imbalance in the force.

 

What’s not a claim made by the original movies? Because the prophecy of bringing balance to the force wasn’t in the original movies at all, it was an addition to lore made by the prequels. Also we know, even in the pre Disney era that the Jedi were full of arrogance and thought they were infallible (recall the scene in attack of the clones when obi-wan is looking for kamino in the Jedi archives), their belief was that the darkside of the force was a corruption of the natural order, however you cannot have good without evil, light without dark, order without chaos. In their hubris the Jedi misinterpreted the prophecy, balance isn’t the destruction of the darkside, it’s the darkside and the light side being kept in check (see the force family trilogy of episodes from clone wars, which is also Lucas canon). Balance cannot be achieved if only 1 side remains (and this technically goes beyond sith vs Jedi, and realistically more to darkside vs lightside, sith and Jedi just happen to be the primary orthodox orders pertaining to the force).

something approved by Lucas and in canon (clone wars) contradicts Lucas’ authorial intent that he stated outside of canon. It must be argued that the canon source (clone wars) trumps what Lucas said outside of canon materials

 

That's a nice personal headcanon you've got here but PT and OT proves you wrong.

Even the ST proves you wrong, because at the end of the last movie Rey is the last one standing and she's a Jedi.

In case you were trying to make a case of her being a Gray Jedi...

Grey Jedi is a term for the Light Side users who don't follow the strict dogmatism of the Jedi Order. Not for the Jedi who mix'n'match Light and Dark side powers. That's what makes Qui-Gonn a Gray Jedi. Technically, Luke and Rey too.


Argue what you want, you're in the wrong and your understanding of how the Force is balanced isn't supported by anything, end of topic.

Because it's unfit for their fantasies, regardless if the maker of the setting said something opposite.

 

True balance would be no Jedi or Sith.

 

I had zero expectations for it because I’d seen the leaks and they were all really negative. I had a great time, it wasn’t perfect nor close to it but nothing in the franchise has been up to this point so why start now?

I dont have a personal stake in its success or its failure; which I guess makes me a casual lifelong fan, but it made me want to go buy action figures afterwards so it’s living up to it’s predecessors in the most important way.

 

Got back from my showing a bit ago. It was a Fan Event and I got some badge and a pin... and a free large popcorn that I threw away after eating a 1/4 of a small bags worth aha. Anyways, I enjoyed it... alot more than The Last Jedi... I would've sat through it again right after.

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Some parts made me feel like I was watching a Tomb Raider movie. Mostly the stuff regarding the Sith way finder. Like how the dagger had a secret pointer thing and how they just randomly found the right location on the edge of a cliff for the edge of the dagger to line up correctly with parts of the destroyed Death Star.
Also couldn't help, but think about Avengers Endgame. I told my friend, "here comes Dr. Strange" before all the allies showed up. It was pretty obvious though for anyone that watches movies. Then the last part where Rey told Palpatine "I am.... (something) Jedi" that just reminded me of "I am Iron Man". Person next to me was talking, so I didn't make out that part. Anyone remember exactly what she said?
During the movie, I was hoping they'd show all the past Jedi Masters watching the final battle, but I guess them talking was fine.
I don't think I missed it, but did Finn ever reveal what he was going to tell Rey?

 

Grey jedi is actually a term that predates the singular Jedi order (according to knights of the old republic, jolee bindo was a grey), it was a term that was applied to force users who didn’t believe the dark side was a corruption but a natural part of the force. Later on the term was adopted by a centralized Jedi council to refer to any Jedi that didn’t follow their dogmatic views. And again, the clone wars (which is both Lucas and Disney canon) reinforces the idea that the darkside is a natural part of the force via the Mortis trilogy, it’s not personal head canon, I’m pulling from actual canon sources.

Exactly

 

All the Jedi

 

This is why the prequels were stupid, all this nonsense about balance and prophecies, midichlorians, etc..

The new sequals have just gone and made it all even more dumb and confusing.

 

Wasn't the thing that started this conversation (which appears to have gone way out of hand) me asking if, by the nature of Star Wars canon, the good guys winning still leaves the story open for new bad guys?

 

After going to see the movie myself...

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I have to admit, I was disappointed with the story. I wasn't happy about Rey being a Palpatine. Some things just didn't fit in. Kind of felt it wasn't much connected with the original trilogy.

But I still enjoyed it.

 

Just got back from seeing it. I'm too tired to type up a long review right now, but the short answer is that I didn't really like it. It's by no means the worst movie ever, but definitely low on my list of Star Wars movies. I'd say it's technically worse than TLJ, although I probably enjoy it more on a personal level, because it has higher entertainment value (it isn't boring). But it's a mess. Too much stuff crammed into one movie. The first two thirds are essentially just MacGuffin-hunting filler, and it's kind of hard to follow. This basic plot could have been a whole trilogy. I was also surprised at how bad the humor was. C-3PO got some laughs, but most of the humor wasn't even chuckle-worthy. "They fly now" basically sums up the sense of humor here. Characters being loud and constantly bickering (bickering, not bantering) is apparently funny. Very little cleverness or wit, which even Force Awakens got right. Oh, and Palpatine has multiple "meme lines" (i.e. quotes from the prequels that became memes). My recommendation would be to just wait for home video.

 

I saw it too, i gave it a 5/10. there were things i like, but alot were so...ugh. should i compare this to the Last Knight, on how they ignore their predecessor, or Endgame, on how Endgame actually had enough time to feel like an end of an era??

 

5/10. Some highlights but a mess mostly.

 

Not canon and never was a hard canon even before Disney.

Gods of Mortis are entities like whills, they're not a literal interpretation. Also even with them the Son proves destructive.

I don't know what you're trying to prove here.

Unless you're going to argue that the sequels ended in a failure too because Rey is a Jedi.

New bad guys don't have to be always Force-sensitives...

 

I watched a cam because I refuse to pay for this garbage.

It was better than I was expecting, but I was expecting something completely insulting and unwatchable. This is just a bad movie poorly executed. It paced poorly, things happen because the plot says so, not because it makes any sense or there was any build up to it, the climax is just a CGI Lightshow with no stakes at all, and at no point did they do anything that could engross the viewer for any reasons outside of nostalgia. It practically lacks a plot.

I'll probably forget I saw this before Christmas.

 

I had fun

 

Overall enjoy it and it was fitting end to the saga. Was there story decisions I didn't like? Yes. But overall, I like it. TLJ > TFA > TROS but I may personally like this more like how l personally like ROTJ the most of the OT.

I don’t these these films “insult” each other as much as people say. Character wise, the ST jives pretty well imo. The bigger problem is that it leaves too much to mystery and that probably has to do with J.J. Abrams as it’s more prominent in TFA and TROS.