This is pretty much why I think so highly of what they've done with Hooded Justice on the show. They've truly captured a part of our own society that a lot of us don't like to scrutinize. It's exactly the type of thing the world of Watchmen is best at.

 

It's emphatically not a sequel to the movie.

The movie never did the squid thing, and the squid event is central to the narrative of the TV show. The one significant change Snyder's movie made from the comic is precisely the thing the TV show is about, so there's no way it can be a sequel of the movie.

 

Exactly! It's subversive and political and exposes the dark underbelly and gives lie to the myths while also being superbly executed... it's quintessentially Watchmen. And the fact that Lindelof is basically saying "I know the creators won't approve, but in keeping with their spirit... fuck 'em" is basically the exact same thing Moore did with the Charlton comics characters.

 

Well that, and how literally every goddamn person directly associated with the show has outright said it isn't.

 

I thought it was supposed to be a sequel to the comic, not the movie.

 

If it is a sequel to anything, yeah, it's the comic.

The most they've ever really said in that regard is that they understand how it could be interpreted as a sequel to the movie despite it not being that, or even a 'remix' of the original comic story, but that it's (supposed to be) something new and not officially a sequel and whatever else.

And it's exactly those kinds of stupidly ambiguous non-answers that I find very annoying. Just say what it is - not this pretentious art student sounding bullshit.

 

Well, I was going to come back to the conversation, but once again you've proved it's a complete waste of time to engage with you. To the ignore list you go.

 

So, just me or is the actress playing Angela getting worse as the show ramps up? There were a couple moments that should have been devastatingly powerful where she basically went monotone nothing and really pulled me out of the scene in this week's episode.

I do like what they're doing plot wise. The interactions with Veidt and Jon were quite enjoyable to witness. Manhattan's story was played out very nicely. I'm both excited and saddened there's only one more to go. How are they gonna wrap all this up in one?

 

I think that Manhattan is broken. He seems to only be blue or naked, but not both at the same time.

 

More like:

 

...no one wants to talk about the finale?

 

Tomorrow, was it good?

 

It was alright. It wasn't bad. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Doesn't seem like like there needs to be a season 2 though.

I just finished watching season 2 of Castle Rock, and they both felt like they were both cut from the same cloth. Kinda anti-climatic in both perhaps?

 

Thought the writing was good but it wrapped a little too neatly and happily for a Watchmen story. And overall he just leaned way too heavily on humor throughout the entire story. Making Adrian a jokey flake was the worst of it. It was fun, thoughtful and well written but it just never matched the source material’s tone. It ended on this one message about race which is fine if not a little too predictable. I don’t feel like I’ve eaten an apple from the tree of knowledge but it was a decent hamburger.

 

The Will Reeves/Hooded Justice storyline was the strongest element of the series I think. The handling of racism and white supremacy in a world with vigilantes was really well done and felt fitting in spirit of how the original graphic novel flipped the perspective of superhero stories.

I enjoyed the character-based episodes focusing on Will, Looking Glass, Angela, and Jon/Dr. Manhattan. So much so that the actual main storyline felt a little underwhelming to me. It was more compelling seeing these characters and the world fleshed out.

In hindsight, it also feels like more time than necessary was spent on Adrian’s Europa adventure. Although it does act as a cool parallel to the Black Freighter interludes from the original graphic novel.

 

Well gotta admit, after watching the finale, I just sighed and deleted all the downloaded files. Not worth burning on BR, won't watch it again. Ironically, much like how I never got the interest to re-watch the original movie.
THis started off rather strange, then got better by the early few episodes, and then in the last few just completely lost me again when I felt the writers are all going "see, see, it all ties together, aren't we smart?" for a whole 2 episodes at the end. And yes, unlike Lost or other similar shows, it DOES tie together at the end nicely, sure, and resolved the plot threads... Unfortunately once I look at the big picture, WHAT it resolved was... rather mediocre. Dr Manhattan's knowledge of the future really should have given him the chance to change it. Lady Trieu turned out to be just a narcissistic supervillain. And sure, Voigt saved the day again, but then he got unceremoniously knocked out and arrested... as if their superiors in the FBI would ever let the truth be revealed and a new world war break out, not to mention chaos as the president is arrested? Pleaaaaase. And Will was ultimately, really not necessary for the story at all. His story was the most interesting, yet impacted the plot the least. Same goes for all the Rorschah-masked supremacists, who again, mattered little in the end, and their relation to Rorschah was tenuous at best.
Btw, I still don't know what was the weird meteor Trieu bought the land for to build the clock on... Was that explained?
Overall, not a bad show, but a disappointing one. It could have used some heavy editing to speed up the plot, and to make the writing less pretentious. When I could foretell that the ending scene would cut away before she steps on the water... LOL not a good sign.

Having checked what S1 of that show was about, it feels too like tons of buildup for what is ultimately... not much.

I am kinda wondering at that too. In the last episode she should be devastated yet she barely seems to care.

Well, to us non-americans who have no association of the hood with the klan, that costume and the noose mostly just means "medieval executioner". Before this show, I mostly assumed his costume and his no-nonsense ways meant he is one of those vigilantes who often takes the law into his own hands.
Btw, wasn't it implied in the comics that Hooded Justice was killed by the Comedian as revenge? I think he kinda made remarks that implied he was the reason Hooded Justice vanished.

 

The show wasn't necessarily bad, but it was soooooo pretentiously contrived that there was no way they would ever stick the landing, especially not after all the eye roll "twists n' turns" of last week's episode. And they didn't. We were sitting there the entire time calling out what was about to happen 2 minutes before it did right up until the see-it-coming-a-mile-away final shot pathetically trying to keep people in wonderment.

Jean Smart was by far and away the biggest standout actor AND character in the entire show, and criminally underused in the last couple episodes imo. I'd watch a show about HER and her character's journey as the central focus all day long.

Anyway, I'm sure there will be a Season 2 because no one ever knows how to stand by their limited series claims, but it's certainly not needed.

 

I just can’t believe they took a character like Ozymandias, cast Jeremy Irons and then made his entire character a ridiculous silly cartoon and then literally bonked him on the head at the end to send him to jail. It was so embarrassingly stupid. One of the most complex, engaging villains in comic history. I just didn’t understand what they were going for. I must have read a different copy of Watchmen.

 

Finale was not up to the level of the last 3 episodes. Why is it so hard to pull off a finale?

 

We enjoyed the finale but agreed that everything wrapped up a little too neatly. Lady Trieu being the ultimate supervillain was predictable even if her personal quest to surpass her father was neat (the scene with her conception was amusing, to say the least; it solved the question of whether or not Veidt was ever interested in the opposite sex to even entertain the possibility of naturally fathering a child and the answer being that he never was is in keeping with his character).

Agreed that it was equal parts funny and disappointing to see Jeremy Irons as Veidt ham it up as a cartoon supervillain; I had Dungeons & Dragons flashbacks.   His entire Europa arc felt the most tacked on and disjointed from the rest of the show's overarching story as it dragged on, and the reveal that he was frozen in golden carbonite as a statue this entire time isn't quite the payoff the writers thought it was, IMHO.

The Hooded Justice/Will Reeves arc was indeed the strongest element of this show but, as was mentioned, had the least impact on the Dr. Manhattan plot oddly enough. It kinda just served as a chicken or egg time paradox as a way to out Dr. Manhattan's secret identity as Cal Abar, really (the broken Dreamland Theater sign spelling out "DR M" is clever).

The entire 7K/Cyclops subplot fell by the wayside as a result of Trieu simply liquifying and vaporizing their leadership without too much fanfare. I suppose it was satisfying to see them get their comeuppance but it was undercut by Trieu going full cartoon supervillain (just like dear old dad).

It does leave open the possibility of a second season. Lindelof certainly seemed to indicate that it was out of his hands if the producers wanted to bring it back for another round or not, and Regina King is game to return as Angela (new Dr. M?). My wife and I would love to see the show come back but it was an enjoyable ride that ended well enough with most questions answered to our satisfaction.