Transformers "Raiden" Project

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by chchchch, Oct 18, 2019.

  1. franpincho

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    What?


    Since when does TT cares about what 3P does? A TT MP devastator would put Cosntructors on ebay like there is no tomorrow.

    Yes, it would be expensive, but believe me it would sell. It is freaking Devastator. The REAL THING. An event on itself.

    I personally don't own ANY version of Devastator. I want a TT one.
     
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  2. David Hingtgen

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    HO scale vs MP scale:
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    I absolutely love trainbots in general, so the Trainbots proper may be my first Masterpiece purchase, depending on Takara’s execution.
     
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    I specifically excluded Beast Wars Masterpiece toys, but the Beast Wars figures are in scale to each other. Nice try though
     
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    "If you leave out the evidence I could be wrong, actually I'm right."

    People thought that about Haslab Unicron and it needed an extension to get made.
     
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    I had some free time this evening, so I decided to see if I could suss out how big the combiner will be if the trains are in HO scale. The following was a fun thought experiment, so don’t crucify me if I didn’t follow the same logic you would have, or if I made some calculation errors.

    I started by consulting tfwiki and Wikipedia to get the train types and general sizing for each of the members. One thing you’ll see off the bat are that the actual trains used for the legs are drastically different lengths; I’ll deal with that in a bit. Here is my table of data, with explanation to follow:

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    I based the ‘gestalt part’ sizes on the old G1 figure that I found pictures of on the net. The updated version will probably not follow these exact methodologies, but they should give the same general overall proportions (which I will also discuss later). Here is my approximation:

    Torso – will split into three distinct pieces, one piece that is the ‘middle’ making up ~half the length of the train, and two pieces on the end turned so that they elongate the torso.

    Pelvis – here, the train splits into thirds, with one third being the pelvis and the other two being the thighs.

    Arms – there is some transformation here to give the shoulder pads and biceps, but the resulting length is generally the length of each train (which is good, because these trains have the same length)

    Legs – Here’s where I needed to fudge things a little. Due to the large discrepancy in length, I averaged the length of each train, then split it into two pieces: one piece that is 3/4 of the length for the knee-shin area and the other ¼ for the foot

    Head – After I drew out a to-scale box model of the figure (shown below), I decided on a head size that looked proportional. Incidentally, it makes my overall model about 8.5 heads high, which could be shortened to 8 by adjusting the hip joint placement shown below, making it 8 heads tall. This is about right for typical heroic anatomical proportions.

    upload_2019-12-13_22-1-8.png

    I know the arms are a little too long, but imagine the long red boxes also including the hands near the hips.. This is an approximation, again, just for fun. :) 

    Back to my table, this would put the real-life combined mode at a whopping 37,824mm tall, or 124ft! I found it interesting that Wikipedia listed the metric sizes for the trains in mm rather than meters. After scaling this to HO (1:87) scale, that means the combined form will be ~16 inches tall. If so, this thing will truly be a masterpiece in my eyes. If there are other model railroad scales that you want to explore, you can scale my sizes accordingly.

    Did I make any stupid mistakes in my calculation (it is Friday afternoon after all...)? Does this seem like a reasonable approximation?
     

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  7. myrrh

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    ...which scales are popular in japan?..it's been fourty years since my last train set, but i thought HO was mostly an american thing...
     
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    ...did a bit of research and answered my own question: N-scale is by far the most popular for model railroading in japan, which in their case typically uses 1:150 scale due to representing their narrower track gauges...

    ...at 124 feet, a japanese N-scale raiden would measure about ten inches in height...
     
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  9. David Hingtgen

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    Yup----"true" N (1/160) vs Japanese "N" (1/150) is something to watch out for.

    Bullet trains, and anything non-Japanese will usually be 1/160. But "regular" Japanese trains will often be 1/150.
     
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    Thanks.
    The HO train is actually smaller that I thought compared to a carbot, I think it wouldn't be hard for Takara to make a Ironhide size bot out of it.
     
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    The first figure to bring me into collecting, as an adult in 2001 while in college, was RID Railracer (the 3 bullet train bots)
     
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    MP scale is with respect to robot modes. :<
     
  13. vvvTheONEvvv

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    Everyone disregard this statement... bot mode scale sucks infinitum if alt mode isn't to scale per mass.

    Sorry, old habits. :lol 
     
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    Yeah, I think that's what will ultimately determine the scale. Whether it's:

    1. A novelty one-off item intended primarily to cater to train enthusiasts, just under the Masterpiece brand name because of its level of detail, articulation, bot mode toon accuracy, etc. In which case, they can literally make it any scale they want. And this is actually a real possibility imho, because the project was announced specifically in tandem with a train-themed national event, not a toy or Transformers focused event like other MP reveals have been. It really could be super tiny if they chose to do this. And might be more feasible as a boxed set in this case. (As others discussed above, Japanese N-scale for instance.)
    2. A new MP sub-line/scale specific to combiners. In this instance they might do, as others have suggested, something like CW/UW Devy where it's not necessarily in scale with other MPs, but is still "big enough" to work decently alongside them. And then scale other future combiner MPs with Raiden as part of its own scaling.
    3. Full on MP G1 scale consistency. Which would be ENORMOUS and insanely expensive but... it can definitely be done. And this is TT in 2019 so... they might just be mad enough to do this and I almost want to see it happen just because it would be amazing and insane.
    It could be any of those imo. It's going to be fascinating to see roll out regardless. Really looking forward to it.
     
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  15. lord ginrai

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    IMO the second options seems the most likely but it could be any of those. It will be really cool and interesting to see the developments! Go TT!
     
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    I can't see them doing N scale... most popular in Japan or not, it would be far too small to appeal to Masterpiece collectors. HO scale seems way more likely. The trains will still be too small to scale well with the carbots in alt mode, but it looks like they could get roughly-correctly-scaled robots out of it, and Raiden will just fall where he falls.
     
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  17. [Wing_Saber-X]

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    A 1 foot tall combined robot...
     
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    Crazy how this thread got hijacked once it was found to be MP. Its has twice as many pages in 2 weeks than it had in almost 2 months.
     
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    ...well yet-another-combiner is par for the course in the CHUG line, but the first-ever-combiner is huge news for the masterpiece line...
     
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    So Y'all thinking project raiden is going to be MP 50, or is there something else in the wings.