STAR WARS - General Topic Discussion

Discussion in 'Movies and Television' started by DarkEnergon22, Jan 21, 2018.

  1. FelixORST

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    The Star Wars-franchise is one of the greatest things the West has ever produced when it comes to cinema and story-telling. However, these so called "sequels" have been subpar. They've basically been undermining the whole story, and in turn, the franchise with these new sequels. I suspect that the next movie that will come out the next week will not only be equally damaging, but will deliver the coup de grace to the franchise as a whole.
     
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  2. kaijuguy19

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    With the heated discussions of where SW is heading as well as the sequel trilogy in general I think revisiting this video from last year feels timely.

     
  3. Rodimus Prime

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    The biggest problem with the sequels isn't even the sequels themselves, but the most rabid fans. I am not talking about all fans (#notall :rolleyes: ) but the absolute hardcore NuWars fans, the shippers (whom even the cast hate), etc. I criticized the PT plenty back in the day, and I never ran into the level of vitriol and mindless devotion the worst NuWars have produced. The only thing that I can compare it to is the Evangelion fanbase.

    For these particular fans, their arguments have nothing to do with the movie's quality (or lack thereof) and everything to do with posturing. Most of these worst-case scenarios evidently can't do so for any reason that isn't a really stupid socio-political talking point (which is why you don't see many here) or trenchant complaining about how the fandom is mean and deserves to not be catered to, ignoring the obvious fact that the fans are the people who care about the series the most and would bring in easy money. So what's the real reason?

    They'll never admit to it, but the reason people like this defend the new trilogy, and other things like it, is specifically because it's a zero-talent mess that will never challenge them on any level. The quintessential easy mode that won't make them think, will uphold their personal worldviews, whatever they may be, and denigrate those that disagree with them.

    And then they will turn around and say in the most snagglepuss like tone that everyone else is toxic.
     
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    SPLIT LIP Be strong enough to be gentle

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    You nailed the point so hard with this post it got the point pregnant.

    May favourite part. These same people who call other fans "toxic" actively seek to divide the fanbase.
     
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    Last night watched Attack of the Clones for the second time this year and enjoyed it. I think I do like it a tad more then TPM because Obi-Won gets to go more in this and does not get stuck on the ship for 25-30% of the movie and is just a delight to watch. How can anyone not love the deathsticks joke and "good job" line. The action in the movie is entertaining besides the Anakin v Dooku fight is of course a let down compared to TPM but the action from even the droid factory all the way up to that point is awesome. So is the speeder chase and Obi-Won vs Jango of course. Again I like the look of the prequel trilogy because it looks interesting and different then the OT but has just enough familiar elements that you can see the connection. Of course the weakest part of the movie is (time to beat a dead horse) is Anakin and Padme relationship which yea the dialogue is pretty rough like sand but I still think they do a good job conveying emotion through facial expressions and with what they got. Quick side note after they kiss near the water fir the first time and Padme gives the "I should not have done that" by intention or not I love the confusion on Anakin face after in a wait what just happened way because I've been there when the girl like sure lets kiss or something then suddenly BOOM NO and yea that some mix signals confusion there so I understand your struggle Ani. Also in Anakin's defense if your a 19 year old male who probably only known one female your entire life after dedicating the next decade of your life to a bunch of sterile monks and you get the chance to see her again and she is still smoking hot those hormones are going to be pretty hard to control. Now is that enough of an excuse to justify how "angsty" and "creepy" his character comes off well no it does not but still from a certain point of view it can work. But although Anakin character is flawed in this movie by intention or not at least 1. the character is flawed and not perfect and goes through struggles during the movie and 2. I find the character of Anakin Skywalker at the very least interesting and enjoy seeing his story play out and 3. I know why his story is being told.

    CGI and effects are dated but hold up enough for me you know they are always on a green screen but hey for 2002 whatever and although CGI looks better today modern movie effects take me out of the movie just as much as this so it still looks fine enough to me it does not take me out of it anymore then a current movie. The only awful shot is when Obi-Won, Mace, and Yoda are talking about Anakin in the temple hallway now that CGI is just awful why could you not have built a set for that one. Other than that still enjoy the movie.
     
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  6. kaijuguy19

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    So how do you see the people who are rabid haters of the sequel trilogy then? Do you think they'll fully justified of being the most nastiest of a-holes to the sequel trilogy fans who aren't trying to antagonize them and are just wanting to enjoy it in peace because you agree with their opinions or do you think thy're not any better then the rabid fans thus not having a fond viewpoint on them too? I'm not saying this to say how wrong you are,I'm just trying to understand if you also have issues with people who take their hatred of the sequel trilogy too far as well? Because the point of the video I've shown here was how both sides have extremist d-bags that take their arguments too far and cause damage to both the other fans who just want to enjoy their respective series in peace and the overall franchise. Especially when it comes to enjoying the good stuff that's come out of the Disney era like Rebels,Rouge One and Jedi Fallen Order like how we got Clone Wars from the Prequel era.
     
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    No such thing.
     
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    For me, that would depend on how you define "antagonizing" and "just wanting to enjoy it in peace". If you mean that at face value--directly and personally attacking fans who aren't interested in an argument--then that's not cool. But, y'know, there are people who interpret criticism of the films as personal attacks. There are people who think enjoying things in peace means anyone not enjoying those things keeps their mouth shut.

    The most brilliant of all are the ones who bitched incessantly about the prequels but now expect "heart reacts only" for the sequels.
     
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    I'm talking about the former.
     
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    We REALLY need to lose the idea that if someone has something negative to say about something that it automatically makes that person a 'hater'. No it doesn't. People can be critical of things they dislike (even make fun of it) and not be a hater.
     
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  11. flamepanther

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    Cool. It's unfortunate that I even had to ask, but regrettably it's a thing.
     
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    The problem is hater is now applied to anyone who has a negative opinion about anything that someone holds dear.
     
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    The current form of marketing is throwing shade on TLJ.
    So is Ridley, Boyega and JJ all haters now?
     
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    Flamepanther already answered it for me.
     
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    Yes. Obviously!
     
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    According to reddit, twitter, and ResetEra, most definitely.
     
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    It just keeps on giving.

    :lolol 
     
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  18. FelixORST

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    Something I am very well aware of. Have experienced it numerous times on here. People can't distinguish themselves from the things they like.
     
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    I feel like that was the whole point. Kylo knew the first order would win with or without him. So he goes on this elaborate gamble to act like a villain which tears him apart inside. He has no military rank and only succeeds through causing fear among soldiers in the first order. He has to kill his father in order to win snokes approval in order to get close enough to kill him. Rey is probably the only girl he’s been in contact with and she has a crazy ability in the force, which is not totally unbelievable in the grand scheme of Star Wars. Strong Force users are bound to surface at different points. He showed he didn’t want to kill his mother when he didn’t have to for some strategic purpose. He killed snoke and my guess is he kills palpatine too. He’s basically the hero of the whole ST. His fight with Luke was understandable when you figure how Luke’s actions by trying to kill him in his sleep led to his trust issues....which then led to Kylo having to go on this terrible path in life. I’d blame Luke too. And at that point, literally EVERYONE was watching so he couldn’t drop the act or anything. Then it’s pretty clear now Kylo knows there’s a greater threat like palpatine or the knights of ren to deal with.
     
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    Rewatch update: I'm finishing up the Onderon rebellion episodes in "Clone Wars" that introduced Saw Guerrera, who later got the live-action treatment in "Rogue One", and the writing for this still impresses me. If children that were watching this were able to comprehend even half the elements and themes in this (with some parental guidance of course), they would have a easier time appreciating their English and History classes later on.
     
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