MMC OX Assaultus

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  1. octobotimus

    octobotimus Bad company ruins good morals

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    You can have it look as realistic as possible without getting into the hell hole that is scale debates. Details, not scale, is what realism is talking about.
     
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  2. pidge1114

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    Got it, so only some details and not others. Ok
     
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  3. BIOMEC

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    Most tanks have the turret sitting somewhat forward, only self propelled artillery have the turret at the back. The Merkava is an exception, it has its turret layout similar to the SPHs due to its special features.

    By the way, I really don't find the location of the turret ugly.
     
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  4. octobotimus

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    Don’t be a smart ass, you know exactly what I meant, and that ain’t it.
     
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    Not super important to me but can the turret rotate?
     
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    I don't think i'd say so. There's some clear difference between the tank mode and Brawl's animated tank mode. Larger turret that's shaped entirely differently from the animation model (Like, not even close). Turret is closer forward, the front end of the tank is different with the gun on a gimble entirely missing from the toy, the headlights completely absent. The toy has double antenas rather than the one and they are relocated to the turret. the spotlight is missing and the triple smoke grenade launchers (which he has in robot mode) aren't on the tank mode (replaced by a different model, located somewhere else). The body of the tank is also shaped entirely differently

    The color matches, but this might as well be an entirely different tank than Brawl's animation version
     

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    You’re right, I somehow totally missed the back of the tank which is what really shows its different, since the front half has arguably the same shape on both the toy and toon
     
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  8. Ghilz

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    I actually find the front more different? the lack of headlights, the missing frontal machine gun, and the turret being so far forward is what makes it stick so different to me. The rest (Except the turret shape) I could sort of excuse as regular "well it's a transformer" jank, like how Fraudo is a super beefy jeep that rides super low to the ground. But the front ends don't really match to me.


    I mean I'm still gonna buy it. It looks cool as heck, but like I said, might as well be entirely different tanks.

    EDIT: Should also add that Vortex' helicopter mode looking nothing like a Seasprite / Impetus doesn't stop me loving Impetus.
     
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    For me its the angled back in the toon vs the flat squared end of the toy that I missed that really kicked in the “oh these are different you’re right”

    Totally agree on Swindles alt mode
     
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    That's because they are. As was mentioned earlier, the wax model that Brawl's animation model was originally derived him was referenced to one specific model of tank, while the final toy, and the MMC version, are based on a different model.
     
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    So "good" means not like a real tank? Because Brawl's (G1 toy, and MMC's) turret is in a very typical position, as tanks go. You're basically asking it to look like your idea of a tank, and not how tanks actually look.

    Also, the animation model itself is wrong, for where the turret is on the model of tank it's trying to be----here's a real British Centurion, that the animation model is doing a shitty job with in regards to the turret mount:
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  12. David Hingtgen

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    Actually, there's three tanks---the wax model appears to be Japanese, the animation is a "seemingly picked at random" British tank, while the G1 toy (and MMC's) is German.
     
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    As for the backwards cockpit hatch, it's possible the sample here is just misassembled. Maybe the access tube is a separate piece that plugs into the top of the turret, and was just slotted in backwards here. Would make more sense for that to be the case, than a conscious design decision.
     
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    That's my hope/guess. I noticed from earlier pics of tank mode that the hinge for that hatch looked to be on the wrong side, but couldn't be sure of functionality etc until the new pic actually showed them opened up.
     
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    There is a law on TFW: if you argue about accuracy eventually someone will bring up Blast Off's scale. It's like our version of Godwin's Law.
     
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    But people rarely mention tanks and jeeps aren't the same size. I am disappoint.
     
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    I try to bring up the oft-overlooked fact that Dragstrip should really be half the size of the other Stunticon limbs as often as I can. People just "automatically give them a pass because all 4 are cars", even though there's very much a size issue with them, just like the other team's limbs...
     
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    I will say that the one thing that gets to me now that I looked at it more closely, is the faux parts grenade launchers in robot mode, because he doesn't have them in tank mode.
     
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    Doesn't really bother me because he doesn't look like the chest transforms from the turret, anyways. TFs can have weapons present in one mode but not the other.
     
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    The smoke grenade launchers? I mentioned that earlier, that's the result of MMC doing a toon-based robot mode with its Centurion-style launchers, vs the G1 toy's Leopard-style launchers on the turret. So it has triple-launchers on the chest, but quad-launchers on the turret.
     
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