KO OS GT Gravity Builder (Devastator)

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  1. ThrustJan

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    He's very big and cheap,good.
    I figured that isn't very stable, ,Maketoys Giant is a lot strong,can you confirm?He wins for me because he's also smaller to display in combiner mode.
    I'm tempted also by this KO anyway,because Constructicons are very beautiful in bot mode ,as "Scraper" and Concrete.
     
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    Palm covers?
     
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    They are magenta-purple rubber like covers that cover the kibble gaps up - and came with bonus pieces on the GT versions and are installed already on the Daban ones - I was just suggesting it would have been nice to have those for the bigger size toy too.

    I think Emgo316 covers them in one of his gravity builder videos.
     
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    Oh right, that's a new one on me had never heard about it, kibble gap in the hands? I had a look at emgo videos on gravity builder but couldn't find a bit where he talks about palm covers?
     
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    Nothing defeats the Devastator, NOTHING!

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    Well, except for a top heavy upper body creating an off place centre of gravity meaning all the improved joints they threw at this set can't fight those kind of physics when posing dynamically. The powerful thighs will hold firm but he weighs so much up top he'll still topple over like a pissed up pornstar at the AVN Awards.

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    Still, he looks fantastic in a standard 'Come at me, you little pricks' kind of pose. He's an industrial powerhouse, almost the size of Siege Omega and beautifully detailed. The individual robots and vehicles are utterly superb. And for 18 sheets per figure, this is very impressive stuff.

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    Part of your balance problem might be because Mixmaster is mistransformed. You need to pull out those little tabs on the front that the bumper uses to attach to the body of the cab so that the bumper folds up. This will put the left foot fully flat on the ground. There's also a way to tuck Mixmaster's feet in under that grey drum on the ankle of the limb form that helps reinforce the front of the foot and keep everything stable/together better.
     
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    Cheers dude!
     
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    If you need help with figuring out the feet thing I can try and grab pictures of mine to show. It's just folding the feet in so that the heels are facing up and wedge in under the drum/against the rest of the cab so that there's far less flex in that section. Hopefully that helps with the stability issues. It's a great figure overall and while it definitely does have issues with the high center of gravity it's usually not that hard to get it in good pose, especially once you've got that left foot properly flat. Was a common issue people had earlier on so it stood out to me when I looked over the pictures.
     
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    Honestly, it seems like pretty much all Devastator designs have issues with the feet. Mixmaster is generally alright, though the "toe" section tends to be short and fat, with little heel in the back for support. Scrapper, on the other hand, is almost always some weird thing where the toe section is a perfectly fine usage of his scoop, while everything behind that is some weird set up with his arms or whatever, with most of the "foot" barely touching the ground. It seems odd to me that I don't think anyone has just given both of those two some fold out "filler" portions to more fully create stable, flat feet with support. I think Maketoys Green Giant almost does it best with their little engine thing that can pop into Scrapper's leg mode to hold the foot together a little better, but it's still not great.

    Seriously, dude's massive, he should be able to have good, solid feet.
     
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    Yeah that would help, cheers. I have tried this as well.

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    I do definitely like how Green Giant did the feet. I think the problem is that you're kind of locked into using a scoop and misc parts for one foot and a cement truck cab for the other. Doesn't lend itself to making something huge and stable feet for something that's also so top heavy. Just trying to fold something out into place requires you to have to really, really over-engineer a lot of parts to hold up that sort of weight and keep it stable.

    That looks about right, honestly. Here's my Mixmaster foot/leg.
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    Can U get me some pics. I'd like to know if mine is set up right.
     
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    It's in one of the "Emgo Builds stuff" videos on the Gravity Builder playlist If I recall correctly - but here is a picture of the cover as it is installed on the Daban version

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    There is also this feature that I don't think is a feature every KO includes :

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    The NBK one even includes a new feature where the rockets in the forearms can rotate around to an outward position in the original and Daban version they are just interior moulded details. It would have been great to have both of those features on a single toy perhaps. as that would be 7 rockets on each arm then. As best as I can tell these wrist pannels are fixed in place on the NBK version.
     
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    I'm not 100% sure that actually is correct. I've checked the instructions I got, plus a few videos of both the JB and the original, and all of them have those tabs at the front in place. Hell, Emgo makes a point of saying they're supposed to stay in every time they pop out. Though you definitely have to do that if you try to tuck his feet up on top of the cab (which pretty much just returns you to the same point because of how it pushes the front of the cab down).

    *ed: I stand corrected. Vangelus has those clearly un-tabbed. Honestly I find doing so further compromises my stability, since that encourages the whole thing to lean forward more on just that foot.

    Though something clearly isn't right, so maybe that's something GT left out of the original instructions and people have just gone with it. There's definitely a locking point of some description which is either missing from the cab or cleverly hidden.
     
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    The pictures are right above your post, actually.
     
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    So after an hour poking around, flipping bits and pieces every which way, and inspecting for anything which could possibly be mistaken for a locking point (even if it isn't one)... this is about the only thing I've found that makes even a slight difference, but it will depend heavily on your joints. Specifically I've managed to get mine standing with straight legs now by putting the feet up against rear of the cab, but keeping the bumper locked down. If I un-tab the bumper, he just wants to collapse forward on that foot.

    Trying to put the feet above the cab just made him want to fall over backwards, even with the bumper completely elevated. It just tips the "toe" forward too far. Putting the bumper up in any other configuration just wanted to collapse forward. With the bumper down but the feet up against the roof, I had to bend that knee back one click to get him to be stable.

    To my eye, it looks like there's supposed to be some kind of locking mechanism that stops the cab going up past horizontal. And not just relying on the silver tank to rest on the roof of the cab, since that can fold well and truly inside. If the whole foot assembly could be kept straight, leaving only the ankle pitch joint for movement, he'd probably be worlds more stable. I just can't see any corresponding mechanism; unless it's missing from mine entirely (or still folded up in his legs somewhere).
     
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    There ideally would be some sort of locking mechanism like that, but one doesn't actually exist on the figure.
     
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    I think the problem is that the orginal Gravity Builder wasn't designed with this kind of weight in mind.
     
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    How much does he weigh btw?
     
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    Unsure. No scales to hand. More than a Titan. Certainly more than Omega, at any rate.