Question was :
WHO WON THE FIGHT?
not who died first after the fight

 

I wouldn't say "stupidity". That's a little harsh. If you think Optimus Prime is a stupid character that's ok, I just don't agree with you at all. Primes' biggest character flaw/trait is the same as most superheroes, they will not let innocent life or friend die even it means they lose or die. Prime was to quick to surrender when Hot Rod was a helpless hostage of Megatron.

 

I don’t wanna call him stupid but what he did was stupid, and I don’t mean thqt he didn’t want to risk a friends life

Like I said in my last post forget that hot Rod had anything to do with it, forget Hotrod was even involved......Because in reality what hot rod did really didn’t contribute to Primes fate very much

Primes mistake was letting Megatron get to a gun in the first place, Hotrod had nothing to do with that.

 

I see your point and its a good one. However, I think that it was not a mistake but by letting Megatron monologue while he was going for a gun was a way in which Prime could have been justifying killing/shooting Megatron. I think Prime would've waited until Megatron attempted to shoot him and then blasted him into oblivion. Prime already had him in his sights and would've only needed to pull the trigger to stop Megs. I also think that Hot Rod was not experienced enough to know what Optimus was doing and thought he could help by tackling Megatron but instead gave Megatron the advantage in the final moments of the fight.

 

No disrespect but you’re making very big jumps she tried to justify/explain Primes actions.....But that idea defies the facts of what we were shown

1)Optimus did not and could not see the gun
It was hidden from the view point of Optimus, It was underneath the breeze debris and only visible from the opposite side of where prime was standing which is why Megatron saw it and why hot rod who was behind Megatron was able to see what Megatron was moving towards

2)Megatron actually had his hands on the gun almost two seconds before Hotrod tackled him,And Megatron was Momentarily distracted when hot Rod called out, Megatron even turned his head completely the other way

That was the perfect opportunity for Prime to pull the trigger if it was his plan to let Megatron make a move first......When you actually think about that idea then hot rods actions should’ve actually helped that plan along

Remember, Megatron already had a gun in his hand for almost 2 seconds and he actually turned around to see hot rod come at him.... ,

I’m sorry to say there was just no grand scheme on the part of Optimus, He wasn’t trying to find a way to justify shooting Megs, He just made a foolish dumb mistake/choice when allowing Megatron to fool him

 

Yeah. I answered that.

 

No u didn’t

“Optimus Prime forced an enemy to retreat by the order of someone NOT MEGATRON”....

....Because Megatron was rendered incapable of retaining command.....Courtesy of Optimus prime

and then died of his wounds. .... after the fight

We have no reason to believe Megatron would have done the same ......Except for the fact that he was incapable of doing anything for himself at that point, and the obvious intent of the writers

and he certainly outlived Prime at the very least......again, after the fight Which doesn’t tell us anything because as I said the question was

WHO WON THE FIGHT?
not who died first after the fight

 

Since it seems you're just bad at extrapolating any of this yourself...

Optimus was beat to literal death. He died of his wounds. Megatron did that to him.

Megatron on the other hand- it could be argued- never even wanted to retreat. That was a call someone else took from him (EDIT: something, mind you, that Starscream did MANY times over the course of G1 when Megatron was no where near any form of dead), and not only did he outlive Prime, but there is ZERO indication that Megatron would have also died. He was surviving all by himself with zero indicated medical aid onboard Astrotrain for probably some many hours at least. Hell, he sounded more lively at that point than he did immediately following the battle. And how long was he still living while just drifting aimlessly in space?

Optimus lost. He died. Megatron lived. I'd call that a pretty solid fucking victory. What's confusing about this?

 

Very funny but not the case, the question doesn’t call for extrapolating....And doing so is why you haven’t answered the question

Megatron knew he was beat, It’s why he had to resort to begging on his knees as a trick to try to get an upper hand, afterwords his wounds were so severe that he had to beg one of his warriors to carry him off the battlefield and not abandon him, Optimus did that too him

Yes, Starscream called for retreat....because Megatron himself wasn’t fit for command due to his condition....again Optimus did that

Any argument that Megatron didn’t want to or wouldn’t have also retreated can be settled by a look as his history in similar situations......Megatron always retreated.....But you could also just say that was the nature of a kids cartoon

Megatron was on deaths door, If not for Unicron he would have died as well,any counter argument to that can be settled by looking to the early script, Megatron was intended to die at the hall of heroes , And his life force given a new body....The script was changed for the kids but the intent remain the same.The man was dying and his troops knew it, and if not for the intervention of the devil he would’ve died as well, and that’s far more than zero indication he would’ve died

He was all but lifeless when Unicron found him, Even his first words seem to be a struggle, he only got more lively as they talked which seems to indicate that Unicron was giving him the energy to talk and make a deal

Oh And since you like extrapolating,let’s not forget to bring up the fact that The ”deal with the devil” he made Should have left him in eternal servitude ,And it resulted in him not only losing to the new leader but also losing control of his home planet which took him 9million years to win, And then he lost his mind, all as a result of losing the fight to Optimus.And of course as it’s been stated many many times, all of this is a relevant because it all took place after the fight

Who won the fight is the question, not who died first

Optimus was the last man standing ,Sure sounds like a victory
On the other hand,Megaton had to beg not to be left behind I'd call that a pretty solid fucking Loss

What's confusing about this?
Nothing If you actually answer the question being asked and not use supplemental information that took place after the fight to make your judgment

 

I answered this question and have given my reasoning on why. You don't like it. That's on you. Move along with your day and try not to be so upset.

 

Ha
No one is upset dude, this is all fun for me

But for the record, when someone asks you “how your dinner tasted” and you tell them it gave you Diarrhea, then you really haven’t answered the question

 

Then one really needs to question the use of all of your bold-faced and oversized text. All it's going to do is come across like you're exceedingly aggravated.

And also go back and read all the other responses that were exactly like mine.

 

Just my way of putting an emphasis on things

why?

I responded to many of those post and responses the same way I responded to yours

Talking about who died first and other events that took place after the fight just doesn’t answer the question of who won the fight

 

Last word went to prime. “It’s over prime”... “never”. In that battle prime won. In the war- and ultimately the result from that fight (Rodimus vs Galvatron) the Autobots won as well. So, prime won. Just like kup said “primes doing it - he turned the tide” (not sure if that last one is the actual quote)


Also from other posts saying megs won because prime died and megs lived- there was no way either of them were fighting any more after the cliff fall... and prime had the last word/finished the fight. He doesn’t do that and Megatron executes him right there and deceptions take Autobot city and win the war. Literally no one else at Autobot city could touch prime or megs at that point- they were both essentially super sayan 4

 

A lot of people seem to really think it does. Maybe its you, not us.

 

Can’t really believe you went there but OK.....
And have you been reading the pages?I’m not alone either......so maybe it’s ur group and not mine.....

again I’ll say, if the question was “how does your dinner taste”.....Telling me it gave you diarrhea doesn’t answer the question

 

Welp. A number of people consider the fallout of the event to be relevant to it. Seems fair to me. Gonna have to deal with it, I guess.

 

and a number of people don’t consider the fall out to be relevant at all....what’s your point?

But if you want to consider the fallout,That’s perfectly fine, but you Gotta do consider all the fall out

Which includes:
He needed to beg to not be left behind
He was betrayed by All his troops, even Soundwave
He was tossed out like trash
He had to make a deal with the devil should be a slave for the rest of his life to survive
He lost controls of Cybertron which he fought 9 million years to gain control of
He got beat by the new leader and again got tossed into space like trash
His people ended up homeless and scavenging for energy
He lost his Sanity

All of this as a direct result/fall out of his fight with Optimus prime

While on the other hand.....
The Autobots gained a new leader
They gained control of Cybertron
They gained new universal respect by spreading peace Throughout the galaxy

And not only did Optimus live on inside the matrix.....But he was returned to life as well.All could be considered fallout from the fight

Still sounds like Megatron lost
Seems fair to me. Gonna have to deal with it, I guess. lol

 

K