NYCC 2019 Panel

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by SuperTitanHans, Oct 3, 2019.

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    I for one am worried that Scorponok may have issues. Generally the Titans are of a certain height or mass. Scorponok should be the same height as Fort Max with significantly more mass due to his claws and tail. I have a feeling he is going to be a lot short like Trypticon was. I'm buying no matter the height, but I have a feeling many may be disappointed. I hope I am wrong.
     
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    Honestly, if you take FM's build, and use the ramps as a stand in for claws and the tower for the tail, it basically works out. And Tryp's only issue was height because he didn't have a humanoid form. I'll be shocked if Scorps is under 22.5"
     
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    That is quite possible. I do hope he is close to eye-to-eye. I would say that was Trypticon's only shortcoming (pun intended). I want my Scorp to be big and imposing, but unless it is really bad (like the Titan Predaking, IMO), I will be getting it no matter. I would even be ok with another price hike, if it meant better scaling.
     
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    Don't see why that should be a problem. Scorponok SHOULD be shorter than Fort Max.
     
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    only the toy and marvel versions, rebirth and headmasters are both the same size as fort max (roughly)
     
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    My idea was that Trypticon was short due the tail.
    I don't see why Scorponok shouldn't be as tall as Fort Max.
     
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    Only the toy and Marvel versions matter.


    (Seriously, that may be a bit of hyperbole, but folks should know this about me by now)
     
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    I think it will be fine, Hasbro doesn't really release titans with CRIPPILING issues, just some minor ones.

    I think this Scorponok will have a lot of shared blood with Omega Supreme and Trypticon
     
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    My only concern with him sharing with Omega - an otherwise great figure by all accounts - is that he is shorter than Maxy and Plexy.
    That would disappoint me.
    On the optimistic side, the prototype deluxe-sized Zarak/head that was shown at NYCC looks like it'll possibly be the same size as Cerebros, so while proportions can vary (often dramatically), I can't imagine the full figure would be much different from his opposite number...
    (Memo Hastak: please be same size as FM, please be same size as FM, please be same size as FM, etc)
     
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    I never got Fort Max because it looked like shit, so I don't actually care how big Scorponok is as long as he's big.
     
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    I never got FM because he just seemed like he needs too many upgrades to make him whole (chest guns, photon cannon, sword depending on the version, Cog, fist upgrades, maybe slippers for ankle tilt, etc).
    I'm content with my encore G1 version; to heck with posibility - the titans return version wasn't drastically better at that anyway, and at least the G1 turned into a convincing city with decent ramps (and car launchers), a prison cell, and all the aforementioned extras built-in.
    I also feel like since I already have Titan Metroplex, even though I like it, I don't rate the mold highly enough that I'd shell out for it twice.
    The G1 FM is about the same size, so I'm good with him.
    But a new Scorpy the same size as G1 FM and Titan Metroplex???
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    I would be ok with an inch or two, but not as short as Trypticon.

    Seeing as it is clear that the Titan Class citybots are meant to scale together better than the G1 toys, I don't see how you could expect that. I have no issue with anyone having their own preferences on how a figure should be scaled or represented, but that just seems a bit unrealistic for a mass retail release of mainline figure. Titans are big budget figures aimed at the general public, but without shelf space to advertise them, I imagine the majority of their sales will be fans and collectors, or parents who are knowledgable of Transformers.

    OS is not far from Metro and Fort Max's height. As I said above, i just don't want Scorp to be Trypticon's height because of the mass needed to properly represent him. I absolutely love TR Trypticon, but him being so much shorter than Generations (FOC) Metroplex was a pretty big letdown. I literally cannot fathom how OS would share engineering of any kind with Scorponok. Metroplex was a bit of a stretch for Fort Max, and left the figure less than ideal for many collectors. I don't see HasTak making that mistake again. Word is that Warden wants to revisit Metroplex, perhaps HasTak will make it shorter to match TR Trypticon as they were actually supposed to be quite a bit shorter than Fort Max and Scorponok in G1 lore. I know that is what I would do were I in their shoes, but then again, I would've made CW Dev, POTP Predaking, and WFC-S OS no taller than 15" to further differentiate them from the citybots in the Titan class.

    One of the most common tropes in all of visual media is that rivals are similar in height so they can do a stare-down. Otherwise, it is the antagonist who is taller/larger so as to be more imposing, creating a bigger challenge for the protagonist to overcome, making their triumph that much more rewarding to the audiences. I and I am sure many other collectors would want the rivals to follow in this precedent for their displays for a more dramatic appearance. Children would want the same when playing. I hate to beat a dead horse anymore, but I think it is a reasonable expectation. It is obvious that this has been the goal that HasTak has been trying to achieve. They are not ignorant to the desires of the fanbase and the common consumer, but they are limited by budgets for these figures.
     
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    For god’s sake, Bob. Will you PLEASE use the scale chart. We’ve been over this!
     
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    All joking aside, I couldn't find a scale chart for those two. I feel like I am worrying too much at this point. It will be what it will be, and I will buy it, and deal with it, and if it too small, maybe a KO company will oversize it, and I might actually give in and get the KO....
     
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    Okay, you're making me do this. We need Scorponok in the following sizes:
    Scorponok mold at Titan (23 inch, match Rebirth cartoon)
    Titan (combiner - 18 inch, to be re-used as Black Zarak in Masterforce)
    Commander (toy height compared to G1 FM toy, also used for AEC Scorponok/Dark Scorponok)
    Old Ultra class (Marvel comics height)
    Deluxe class (to be repainted into Double Punch)

    I think the most likely thing w/Scorponok is they'll skimp on the tail/claws rather than the height - while Trypticon is short, his base mode is massive and he doesn't really mass less than the other Titans. I mean, I'm not saying Hasbro is aware there is a thriving 3rd party market to fix the fixable flaws in their titan class figures, but they have definitely made things like removable wings on Predaking, multiple 4 and 5 mm ports on Trypticon and FM, etc.
     
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    I'm in alignment with your thoughts.

    I'm curious though where it was rumored that warden wants to revisit metroplex?
     
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    Makes me wonder what the budget tradeoff would be on a big ol Claw, out of a Omega Supreme big claw and cannon totaling 6 joints, pair of smaller metroplex hands for a total of 10 joints, or a set of Scorponok crusher mits that only have a joint each, which would be most expensive? How big can we make a single jointed claw before. It's budget becomes larger than a 5 jointed hand?
     
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    But if you go by the toys or comics , then the cartoon is out of scale. I bought TR Soundwave and Blaster specifically because they are in scale with the toys.
     
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    Interesting thought! I would think a big ol' mitt would be the coolest, and cheapest? As it could be mostly hollow and get the most out of the least plastic?

    Not my pics, posted by @prime roller in the Fan Modes Thread (Let's See Some Fan-Modes Thread!)
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    When I first saw these, it seemed obvious we'd get Scorponok from Omega Supreme.
    Then I remembered that Omega and Trypticon were both unique molds, so why not Scorponok? It's not as if he doesn't have a fundamentally basic transformation - which should minimise the design costs (how many modern figures couldn't lift their arms up, fold their legs onto their back, and lie down; like Omega is doing in these pics??? Side-note: I'd love to see someone post a pic of a whole range of different figures in their own "Scorponok modes" :p ).
    Whatever we get, I just want him to be Fort Max height for a Rebirth-style squareoff (were they not the same size in every other fiction too? Was it not only their G1 toys that were different?)
     
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