So the way you said your complaint is 2 different things. Regardless of what you think it is a single toy with accessories. The accessories are what bumps the price up. You can dislike it all you want, but it is being sold as a leader and due to its accessories that is exactly what it should be sold as

 

I wonder if Japanese fans complain about going from having the superior paint scheme by Takara to regular retail Hasbro release.

 

Dear Sir, a single toy with accessories is a single toy with accessories. Astrotrain is a single toy with accessories. The accessories suck, one of the three modes suck, and whatever bulk is built in is not compensating for a Leader being the height of a Voyager. People complained about chibi-Prime for FOC, but this is way worse.
(and just to be clear, Siege Shockwave is equally guilty of this)

 

Then this line is obviously not for you and you should probably take a break from collecting until it becomes more in line with what you want again, because siege shockwave and astrotrain are honestly just fine of a value for the cost and all of your complaints are subjective opinion and not objective fact

 

I don't see why you are so triggered by others opinion. Read it and move along.

 

Who says I’m triggered? I’m sorry, I don’t speak millennial buzzwords. Maybe you should stop complaining about something as inconsequential as toys and move along

 

No he's defending truth and justice, some people get a little too excited about SIZE.

That said I am a bit disappointed that the Shuttle isn't consistent and the arms have gaps considering the bar set by other figures in the Voyager class.

But it is offset by the weapons pack and minicon playset. Probably not the optimal decision but I like it as a whole and the Transformation seems slick and quick.

I like this better than Shockwave.

 

You are clearly upset, and let's leave it at that.
But you are wrong in saying that Siege is not the toyline for me: I love it, and I am a huge fan of the UM/Galaxy OP mold. Technically the only figures I didn't like in the whole line are Mirage and Astrotrain, while, Shockwave, despite its problems, is still $20 of awesome.

 

Actually I’m not upset. I’m rather annoyed by people trying to insult me by using words like triggered, but honestly that just shows their age and level of maturity.

sorry if I misjudged your opinion on siege, it just gets tiresome reading so many complaints that the leaders should have been voyagers, it’s been the bulk of every conversation about both shockwave and astrotrain and it just gets old reading it over and over

 

Oh Jesus, time to abandon this thread it's all over.

 

tigatron2002 -"Then this thread is obviously not for you and you should probably take a break from reading until it becomes more in line with what you want again, because all of your complaints are subjective opinion and not objective fact. "

   Teehee!

But seriously folks, I love siege but I do think the voyage sized leaders are bullshit. I didn't mind Shockwave as much since the accessories made more sense for spaceship mode and made cool weapons, but as much as I love the bot mode of Astrotrain the extra car is just a useless hunk of plastic that they hope we won't mind spending 20 extra bucks on.
I do mind though and actually decided to cancel my preorder for it and just wait for it to go on sale like Shockwave has. It's just not worth 50 bucks to me.
just my opinion.

 

Exactly. I waited and got Shockwave for $28.50. Just get them on sale.

 

The Leaders are leader prices because of the higher parts count. The fact that they're shorter is irrelevant to budgeting. Without the extra pieces, sure they'd be sold at Voyager price. If they were designed from the ground up at leader class, then they'd be the same price but without the extra pieces. While nobody is being overcharged, the fact is most people would just prefer to buy the figure on its own but Hasbro has a limited number of Voyager slots they can develop for and none of these Leader characters characters fit at the previous taller Leader size.

If paying more for some pieces that don't affect the main figure at all means we get to have these characters at their proper size, then that's a compromise I'm fine with. Some people are going to complain (some of them are valid), some people are just plain cheap and others will complain just to complain.

 

  1st world concerns for those with disposable income!

 

I guess that's the problem, I don't feel the higher part count for Astrotrain adds enough value to the figure.
If they had done a better job with those extra pieces for Astrotrain, I'd have no problem buying him, but a crooked launch pad and a huge pointless backpack don't seem like awesome added features.

Also, I just don't like their basic plan to squeeze voyagers into the leader slots by adding extra bits in the first place.
I'd rather they just pick leader sized characters for those spots and save the voyagers for the next wave or just figure out a different way to do it. They got by fine in the past without this switcheroo trick so ld rather they just release them like they did in past lines.

 

No shit, that's what this whole forum is about!  

 

Leaders are leader prices because they should resemble leaders, not midgets. You can put 300g of diamond dust in that box, there will still be a Leader missing.
Without proper leader figures any TF toyline is crippled. It's the second most important size class, after Deluxe.

 

Keep up the SIZE fight so we can get Cyberverse style leaders or even better plain old Soap Bottles.

 

Just to chime I LOVE the new Leaders.  Love Magnus, love the cargo and deco on Astrotrain and we are getting a proper Prime with trailer!  If you don\'t dig it that\'s YOUR opinion and is cool.  But some of us actually feel like we\'re getting more.  I much prefer the WFC Leaders to anything in that size class from Prime Wars except for SixShot and that might change once he (hopefully) appears in WFC.  

I\'m in this for toys and to feel like a kid, they\'re doing that and I\'m all for it.  An oversized Blaster, half assed PMOP, ridiculously out of scale PotP Leaders etc. might work for some, but for me they usually mean more money to spend elsewhere.  Don\'t have to agree of course, but my vote is for Hasbro to continue kicking ass on this line at least until the trilogy is over.  This is the best Transformers has been since I was a kid in the 80s.