it is an argument, the difference between 1-2 and 50-100 seems big but in reality this is still 50 percent difference

i never said that bayverse was unsuccessful, my initial analogy of fortnite was that just because something is popular/successful doesn't automatically indicate quality as a parallel to bayverse. your initial argument was that bayverse wasn't bad because it made money though you also added how long they remained relevant but not whether this was positive or negative.

 

I didn't say it wasn't bad, I just said Bumblebee is "worse"

I mean, they don't burn cash
Overall I get where you're coming from

 

Let's steer back on topic towards the concept art being shared.

 

Ok

 

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/XBJe9D

These are new i think

 

Oh cool, Beerus The Destroyer was meant to be in Bumblebee, I hope Mr. T's cereal is good enough for convincing the God of Destruction to not destroy the planet.

 

Joshua Viers on Instagram: “Decepticon concepts for Bumblebee. . . . . . #conceptbyjosh #bumblebeemovie #transformers #decepticons #conceptdesign #conceptart…”

 

Hey, that looks almost exactly like the Studio Series 46 Dropkick toy.

 

Sadly we've seen these ones :/

 

Josh Nizzi on Instagram: “Early in production on the Bumblebee movie I was asked to do an alternate version of sledgehammer from The Last Knight. They were liking…”

 

I guess you could say it looks Sledgetastic!

 

“Volkswagen said we can make our warring robot turn into a Beetle after years of refusal, lets rub it in.”

 

Telescopic handle seems a bit low tec  

 

That's a really neat design, I wonder why it wasn't used?

 

That looks pretty awesome honestly.

 

And yet very Transformers-ish. I for one actually like being able to see the engineering in the designs, makes them feel more real and less CGI magic nonsense.

 

VW in 2007: We don't want our brand associated with these war-toys.

VW in 2018: Smash some faces with our logo, m-kay?

 

I didn’t say I didn’t like it, just find it amusing it has the same technology as my 40 year old camera tripod!

 

I like it. Shame they didn't use it.

 

Because a hammer doesn't suit Bumblebee. Stingers are more suitable for him IMO.

But that said, that is a pretty cool hammer. I like the telescopic handle, but I'm mixed on the telescoping weight.