Haslab Unicron

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by bearytrek, Jul 15, 2019.

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  1. foobot333

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    Hmm. Maybe I was reading these last few weeks differently. Ive followed the thread way to closely since day 1... I felt there was good discussion about zeta and haslab after the extension/core star announcement/removal. Minimal extreme viewpoints, only a few trolls and flame war attempts. A lot of speculating, but hell who knows what's going on right now!?

    I wonder... maybe MY ignore list is really working! Awesomesauce!
     
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  2. pokemonsdoom

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    This thread has been a cluster mess up
    If I was reading it properly
     
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    Zeta Toys teased a head and fingers. If that can make people change their mind, then maybe they didn't want HasLab's Unicron that badly.

    (Moreover, ZT quickly clarified that theirs was only 45cm, not 40".)

    ZT also boasted theirs have no partsforming and no shells. The general consensus was that it was impossible.

    Then ZT had a no-show on the 10 Aug toy show, the date they said they would do a full reveal. Who didn't think ZT was trolling?

    HasLab Unicron will succeed or fail on its own merits.
     
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  4. Hobbes-timus Prime

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    God, the fandom has lost all sense of perspective when people that don't buy unlicensed merch are catagorized as "purists."
     
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    Thank you Chart Chap.
     
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    this.

    i was going to back haslab bc of the sheer size but the transformation left a lot to be desired, amongst other things i also mentioned in the past.

    if you use mp-44 as a comparison, there’re multiple 3p primes released before prime v3 was released. i kept my 3 preorders despite those offerings because of what mp-44 brought to the table, irrespective of other companies. i would’ve preordered haslab’s unicron, and kept it, had it impressed me enough to warrant the $600 it demands.
     
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  7. Fenrys

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    since you obviously failed to read my post in context, here is the important part of the post i quoted
    " Judging by the time Zeta announced their figure, it’s obvious they weren’t going to, and had no plans, to compete with Hasbro"

    if zeta didnt intend to compete with hasbro they would not have teased their figure at all during the haslab campaign, period. since they did, they positioned themselves as competition, wether it was intentional or not.
     
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    I can't wait for this to be over :p 
     
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  9. AOEGalvatronRox

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    Saying Hasbro’s marketing for this figure has been half-assed and abysmal isn’t “armchair bullshit”. It’s an opinion, but it’s pretty much fact, to be honest. It seems because the Sail Barge got a shit ton of free advertising through Star Wars fan websites, Hasbro had the expectation that the same thing would happen with Unicron and the TF fan websites. Except, it hasn’t. After it was revealed, TFW2005, for instance, didn’t really advertise the figure much outside of the occasional “Hasbro has revealed a new Unicron incentive” article. They didn’t really start pushing the figure until about a week before the first deadline.
    (I want to clarify, just in case, that I’m in no way blaming TFW2005. I’m just simply using the website as an example.)

    As some folks have pointed out, also, news of the deadline extension was never really reported on that much, either. Hasbro never screamed from the rooftops that the deadline was extended. And with the exception of the Unicron/MLP meme posted on TRANSFORMERS Official, Hasbro has gone all but dark in regards to any news/marketing of this figure.

    Good point. While I agree with it, and I apologize if I misinterpret anything you’ve said, I’m also confused. In the last few or more pages, it seems you’ve been essentially saying that Zeta should be getting most of the blame for this project faltering. Now you’re saying that Transformers just isn’t that popular to where we can find 8k people willing to spend $600 on a figure. Which is it?
     
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    1. We are not saying Zeta is some evil company.

    2. they did steal IP......... which hasbro has ignored and been the good guy all these years until.

    3. Zeta made the mistake of going head to head with a crowdfunding project of Hasbro's.

    4. 3rd party companies have put figures on hold before ... FT Soundwave and Hot rod being 2. Zeta should of done that

    5. Zeta knew what they were doing...they didnt accidentally click enter on their teaser pictures each time and then also their full reveal.


    6. Many of us are sounding like Zeta is the bad guy because they damaged the campaign of something we want. They arent empirically evil....... but their mistake contributed to less backers than what there could of been for this project. and when IP theft is illegal.......even if hasbro allows it .... dont go head to head with Haslab and damage their crowdfund unless you want to poke the bear. Its a lesson Zeta had to learn the hard way.
     
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    <sigh> Infringement is not theft. Infringement was called "theft" in the early 2000s, as propaganda by rights holders.
    See: Copyright infringement - Wikipedia
    People that call it "theft" are only showing their complete misunderstanding of the topic, as well as making rightsholders giddy that their BS is working. Be smart, not corporate sheep.

    In reality, the "good guys" do not necessarily have the ability to stop 3P. International copyright and trademark law isn't some slam dunk that always decides in favor of the complaintant U.S. company. So it may not be "won't" as much as "can't".

    I don't disagree here. Why even bother with no PO/solicitation? The price isn't even yet known. The smartest thing would have been to upload a video of "Core Star" (not Unicron, which is most likely why the Youtube video was removed, nothing else), then say nothing at all, until ready to solicit.

    But, as I said, they weren't even ready to put it out. Why market this early?

    I actually think they didn't realize what they did. D'oh!

    Hasbro damaged Hasbro.
     
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    If anyone here lives to see the year 2106, and Copyright law isn't changed (again) by then, Unicron will be in the same public domain as Paul Bunyon, Robin Hood, and Mickey Mouse (expiration date 2048). Anyone who wants to 3-D print a Unicron will have total freedom to do so,
     
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    Except Disney pays the US government every so often to extend the laws which allow Mickey Mouse to remain their IP in perpetuity. So no.
     
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    Not even an actual nuclear apocalypse, let alone an actual real life planet devouring unicron consuming the earth, could result in Mickey entering the public domain. You're more likely to see Optimus Prime retired from the transformers brand.
     
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    ...which says more about intellectual property law than anything else. It exists and is periodically enhanced to protect the mega-corporations, not the individual. That's why all physical media carries this Bald Eagle of Doom. Regular justice isn't good enough, Disney needs BLOOD.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Do you think its fair for Mickey to become public domain when Disney is still around?

    Second... it protects everyone equally. Disney nor hasbro can steal your IP you create either....... they have to buy it or license it like everyone else. Lets say you create something ............ if that law isnt in place... Disney can make it or Hasbro and who are people going to buy it from... you or them? yep... you're screwed . The laws protect everyone in these situations.
     
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    The real irony here is that the entire disney princess line (except maybe Brave and...is Moana an official disney princess yet?) is based on public domain stories/characters, or real world figures (like Pocahontas and Mulan).
     
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    Yes. Because Disney the company did not create Mickey, it was a very specific person who died a long time ago.

    As a counterpoint, would you mind if the country of Greece claimed ownership of Heracles, Zeus, Hades, Poseidon, and so on? After all, they invented them and are still around...
     
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    This is probably the last crowdfund I will back for Hasbro... I was surprised at how pissed off I became from the fact that Hasbro has done shit to promote Unicron, a product no one has bought or preordered yet. This is just my thoughts, not yours or anyone else's. And I'm very bothered by the lack of effort. This isn't very fun. It's the least fun I've had waiting for a product (and I waited 5 years for the Gigapower line)... that may not even get past the starting line.

    I feel like this thread, other tf websites, the core star thread, and podcasts have done nearly all of the heavy lifting getting unicron's presence felt (both in a good way and a bad way). Thank the Primus someone is doing Hasbro's promotion gig...

    But the message... it's a pretty sour message, no direction or control from Hasbro. Just speculation, speculation, bitter speculation... and a battle of memes and one liner's within our community, and a oddly timed announcement of another Unicron that took a crap on the crap that was already several weeks old.

    The most vocal voice coming from Hasbro about Unicron is that damn counter on the haslab website, and even that has pretty much stalled as well... and arguably has been a bearer of bad news these past few weeks...

    Now don't get me wrong, I've been hooked into watching this train wreck, especially here on tfw… I've enjoyed a lot of different and similar opinions and viewpoints close and vastly different to mine. And that has been awesome. The podcasts that are out there have been amazing too, I hope you all have been looking at all the wonderful discussions available out there in social media land that have been delving into the drama. You could argue that this whole mess has been the most tumultuous fun we've seen in this hobby in a long time! Personally, I think it's not the fun I want to associate with my TF hobby, my collection or my enjoyment of the brand. There are far more fun things about the TF line than this drama.

    This Hasbroless crowdfund and all it's raisins has dragged on far too long, too many ups and downs, and the roller coaster ride sucks... on many levels. More than I care to write about. But this is Unicron, and ya, he means a lot to me. October 6th needs to get here fast... and maybe then I can say fuck you to the last 700 pages of crowdfunding/speculating madness, and look forward to next 700 pages about Unicron being built.

    If you are wondering, I backed Unicron within the first half hr it was available, I saw this beauty at SDCC a few months back and got sucked into its gaping maw, and my opinion still stands that FEW toymakers have matched Hasbro's efforts here... not even Core Star, who I have preordered as well. I am frustrated Hasbro has done nothing to market to me as a potential backer of a truly amazing dream project. I am tired, but am glad there are some very interesting TF fans and viewpoints here to help me slog through this crowdfund circus.
     
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    no one should take wikipedia as valid. if you can't use it in a research paper....

    anyone can post info on it.
     
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