ROTFLMAO ... manipulative BS... I never said I wanted 3p to go away.. I've even said going after zeta wouldnt do anything other than get 3p to make their figures more stylized moving forward. and using "wishing ill on others" and "die" ........ going way over board arent you?

I say I would want them going after zeta............ and you manipulate it into every 3rd party company.... lol....

 

So 0 - 200 = Those filthy Zeta criminals ruined it for everyone by enticing people into buying a product they prefer more!!!
201 - 8000 = Hasbro needs a better marketing team.

What makes you think that all the people who said they cancelled the Haslab for the Zeta even backed it in the first place?

 

Thank you for edumacating us pleebs who are unaware of the definition of the word "revoke". If you find it useful, I can respond in kind with the meaning of the word "suppositions", which is what your entire post is comprised of.

I request that you enlighten us forum members with concrete evidence to support your claim that "Even backers/purchasers have soured, and many are only reluctantly backing it now."

I've read about MP-44's alleged QC issues. Your claim that it has "horrible" QC is purely anecdotal at best. If you are the marketing guru that you allude to being, then you know damn well that the vocal minority of dissatisfied customers skew the reviews. EmGo had no such issues in his review, but what does he know 'eh? Regardless, what possible mental gymnastics do you possess that could extrapolate one product's production issues onto another's? Pray tell.

Also, thank you for referring us all to some random book to help us understand the preferred marketing strategies in the current global economy. I have no doubt that we shall benefit from its advice in regards to the recommended business practices of a billion dollar corporation that has been around for decades.

 

Lets try this again

 

They did version of the frozen peas ad.

 

there is no set number...........just what feels right......... also since the zeta reveal.... the counter for haslab has been going down...... some of them are obviously telling the truth....

 

You must not speak english too well............. "if it does.. so be it" is not I want it to happen....


so be it means I'd deal with it............ far far cry from I want it to happen

and it was replying to someone asking what if going after zeta costs us all of 3rd party.......

if you think going after zeta means they'll go after everyone........ thats some mighty big paranoia

PS.... you literally left out the second paragraph........
" I think all that would happen is hasbro would go after zeta and it then forces all other 3rd party companies to make alterations to their upcoming figures to make them slightly less g1 inspired....... maybe a different head altogether..... then release the correct head later on like fans toys used to do when they were afraid of IP stuff ."

Yeah that sounds like someone that wants all of 3rd party to "die" like you said right? LMAO

 

Well, as long as it feels right. You wouldn’t want to burden that righteous outrage with facts and figures.

 

there's the context of what I said earlier............ never said I wanted it to happen....... or i thought all of 3p would go down... I only said if that's what happens ......... just because they target zeta............ so be it. meaning I'd deal with it......... cant really be mad if Hasbro does what they have the right to do.


Literally the last time I post to
PopCulturePooka because he's tried fighting with me too much the past 20 pages.. Im done... he's on ignore .. first person on ignore .......... congrats..

 

Y'all need to relax, folks. This is the very definition of a first world problem. Let's all try to keep perspective.

It's fine to be disappointed if something you wanted doesn't come through, but unless it's a really important thing like an essential medicine, a crucial paycheck or a viable solution to anthropogenic climate change, it probably isn't worth getting angry about.

And it's probably not worth getting angry about other people getting angry about it  

 

what makes you think that part of what feels right isnt based on hearing or reading how many people cancelled in favor of Zeta's? assuming Im not intelligent enough to use facts and make an educated guess isnt fair.

if 100 people say they cancelled for zeta............... then you can add at least another hundred to it for people who dont take to twitter or the boards.... thats what feels right it all depends on what we know after october 6th I have a feeling people at the etailers will eventually tell others how many cancelled after the zeta reveals...

 

Spouting concepts means nothing if you can’t turn them into profitable strategies. The onus is now on you to explain how those strategies would be implemented in this campaign to generate a desired profit outcome. Clearly you cannot so you are simply throwing concepts you have zero practical experience with at a wall and hoping an audience as equally as ignorant as you will not know better.

This is a project with a fixed profit margin that can only generate more profit with additional units put into production. Any dollar spent marketing to consumers who have already purchased it decreases your ROI on the campaign. As such the marketing expense has to be very precise to generate additional units otherwise you are just chewing away profit.

Let’s put you in charge of our marketing expense. I give you $100 per week to spend to promote our $500 toy over an 8 week period. The first week you generate 100 sales on that $100 dollars. A ROI of $500 for every dollar spent. Good job genius Smurf.

The next week you spend another $100 but generate zero sales. I call you into my office to ask what happened. You explain you spent that $100 on retargeted adds on the previous 100 customers who already bought it. Now our ROI is $250 for ever $1 spent on marketing. I tell you don’t do that again. Not so smart Smurf.

The next week you spend another $100 but only generate 25 new sales. I ask why such a drastic decrease from the first week when targeting new customers. You explain you only spent $25 on new customers and $75 retargeting 75 of the previous customers who already bought it. But you didn’t spend all $100 on previous purchased customers. Now our ROI is $208 for every dollar.

Now you are unemployed Smurf.

You can present every concept you can copy from the internet you can find, but when you apply real world repercussions to them you don’t come out looking good in this exercise.

 

The thing people took issue with most was "I'd rather spend the 600$ and get a unicron I've wanted since i was a small child. If it costs us the entire 3rd party scene....... so be it let the world remember the names of the Zeta crew for screwing over a great thing." because we considered it very childish and selfish.

 

So it all comes down to selfishness then.......... im obviously selfish because I want what I want......... others are selfish because they dont want anything risking 3rd party to go away and stop giving them items.

 

So how bout that Unicron?
I wonder if this thread is about attacking others like kids or about a toy?
It's hard to tell.

 

Never has my signature been so apt, or the tag of Childish.

Considering I'm very likely not ignored, why won't you answer this:

How will your life REALLY be impacted if this doesn't go through?

Three months ago you didn't have a 19 inch Unicron, in three months you won't have a 19 inch Unicron and in three years time you won't have a 19 inch Unicron.
You WILL have $600 to spend on something else.
You are getting worked up and angry over a zero-sum. Nothing is being taken from you.

 

Here's how most people see it.

The entire 3P market > any one toy.

 

Read this thread, plus other venues of conversation. This has been outright stated by multiple backers, even in recent pages of this very thread.

If you want to be head-in-sand, I'm not going to stop you. Carry on.  

Yes, but it can also be a vocal majority. It takes data and two-way common to ascertain. Which, again, we're not getting. I think Hasbro is the type of company that never admits fault, never really apologizes, and tries to just bumpily run over any bad press. They have a corporate mentality that they can do whatever they want. People either accept it, or reject it, they don't care. That may work for some things, but not others. I think this faux "crowdfund" is an area where that attitude is not working for them. I don't think they know what to do, they're out of the depths on this one.

I'm sure he did. Not everybody is having the QC issues. However, it is apparently a sizeable %. It's not "alleged" whatsoever. It's confirmed. Some are even stating, and showing, it was broken right out of the box.

It's not random. It's a very commonly-used textbook in college marketing intro courses. It's more for the comm side of marketing, not as much the business side. And the comm is what's wrong here.

 

To me Haslab Unicron > Zeta............. and I wouldnt stop being mad at zeta just because of something that maybe might could happen after. and thats still if zeta was a difference in getting unicron funded or not. a whole lot of variables have to play out for me to even want hasbro to get revenge on 1 company........... not all..... just the 1.

 

I was thinking the same thing just now. HMM, that isn't that big of a deal actually, the 'back and forth' vitriol seems to hit every other page in this thread a lot. Moo you! I moo you back! Let me explain why your moo moo is wrong. That moo is patently false. Etc etc.