Completely and utterly irrelevant.

Yes, and that's when the price of oil wasn't so sky-high. Your complains shouldn't be towards Hasbro, but at the people that sell the oil that they make the plastics and paint from for sky-high prices. Hasbro now can't even sell their product to stores for as much as those "$40 Leaders" were sold at retail unless they want to go out of business.

You. Are. Being. Unreasonable. Period.

It's not controversial, it's flat-out factually wrong. "Voyager" nor "Leader" aren't and never ever were sizes.

Sorry, but the economy is poor right now. It's not getting better from complaint in a toy forum.

 

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Tbh, Astrotrain's gappy modes don't bother me that much. I'm probably going to keep Him in robot mode with Blitzwing in the back of my decept shelf.

 

we just have to get used to it, and either adapt or move on. me personally I dont really care about the actual size, i just want it to be a good solid well designed figure. even if it\'s less figure for the same price.. this is the world we live in. this is happening with most of the stuff we buy on a regular basis. over recent years so many common items have gotten gradually smaller. for example; bars of soap have gotten smaller, your tube of toothpaste has less ounces, etc etc etc. meanwhile it cost the same, if not more... if you dont like it dont buy it. leaves one more for the rest of us that will.

 

honestly i love how this astrotrain looks and i can't decide if i want him with those boot extenders on or off

 

I think it's utterly bananas that we're all normalizing the notion of paying 50 fricking dollars for a voyager with unnecessary accessories. My .02, but I have Shockwave and Jesus....

 

No, MAGNUS was heavier than Prime Wars Leaders. His wavemate Shockwave was lighter than any leader class toy ever released by a wide margin.

 

That’s the new normal, either adapt or move on, there’s not much else to say about it, but we’ve known for months how big he would be

 

I'm not trying to normalize it, I'm just trying to clarify where the blame lies. It sucks that things in general are getting more expensive, but directing the anger to the companies who are getting charged that much more for the raw materials is just irrational. =/

Don't forget GUOP.

 

Did I say they were heavier? No. Did I say they were less heavy? No. What I said was their weights were similar, similar doesn’t mean exact, so please don’t put words into my mouth

 

To everyone complaining about Astrotrain, it could be worse.
Astrotrain could cost $450, and he could have bad knees.

 

Well they aren't similar either. Magnus IS heavier than your average leader and Shockwave is only the barest bit heavier than your average Voyager, with all his bits on.

 

Explain why Deluxe class toys cost $9 when oil was $140 per barrel in 2007 then. Oil is relatively cheap right now in comparison.

Whatever argument you make trying to support a $50 price point for this figure, the facts simply don't support the price. The amount of plastic is almost irrelevant to the end price. Plastic pellets cost less than $1 per pound in Asia. The molds for Siege toys are not complicated and cheaper compared to toys like the ROTF era.

Siege Jetfire went on clearance for $45 after barely being on the shelf. Guess what? Walmart didn't lose money selling it for $45. Retailers like Walmart make a minimum of 50% of retail on virtually any item in the store. The majority of products have a 60% margin on them. There are exceptions like electronics and movies that have profit margins of 20-30%. But for Jetfire, the price Walmart paid is most likely around $37. That is an $80 item that you pay $43 for the shelf it sits on.

So remember when you buy an item, the vast majority of your cash goes to nothing but profit margin. A few decades ago most stores made 25-35%, which was a fair markup. If you really want to feel ripped off, dive deep into the real cost of furniture and jewelry.

 

for truth and justice

 

Oh, well then I suppose everything being expensive compared to anything in 2007 doesn't have an excuse either, huh? I guess everyone should just lower prices just like that. That's how the world works, right?

I bet Wal*Mart paid no less than $55 on Jetfire.

 

Astrotrain's small size for leader price is indeed unfortunate, I have to agree with that.

On the flipside; in the cartoon his robot mode never towered over Megatron either, so there' s that.....

So, I guess one just has to interpret the value in the context of the play value he offers, with the tinder augmenting his alternate modes; ...which imo, does a somewhat better job at that than the extra Shockwave parts do for Shockwave.

 

This Siege Astrotrain looks good but I’m sticking with the Takara Legends version to go along with TR Blitzwing, Octane, Broadsides and Sandstorm in my display, don’t feel like starting over but I did swap out Generations Springer for the new version. Will still get an Astro to keep sealed and hopefully signed by voice actor Jack Angel someday.

 

This sis suppose to be a Leader Class?

 

Not exactly sure why people are having a hard time grasping how a lot of us feel a bit agitated at paying leader class prices for voyager size-if-not-smaller figures. Siege Leader Magnus was a thick and heavy bot with all his gear attached, but Shockwave and now Astrotrain look to have some cheap, extraneous parts added to an insubstantial voyager and called a "leader class" figure. Like you said, it's your money so spend it how you want, but ain't no way Hasbro is expecting everyone to be okay with this tactic. As the video pointed out, Astro' is barely larger than Impactor, and that's the problem. Deluxe's are $20, and voyagers are $30, and leaders are the price of them combined, but you aren't getting the engineering and parts count you would of a full blown deluxe and voyager and of course it's all coming in one package.

It's odd to, because Jetfire being $80 seems like a great price. He's huge and full of accessories and features. Hasbro just chose the leader class this line to really save on costs.

 

Yes, just like the other 3 leaders in siege