Arrow - CW TV Show Discussion

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  1. OmarJT82

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    7x22 - You Have Saved This City (Season Finale)

    - Curtis and Earth-2 Laurel return.

    - Ben Turner (Bronze Tiger) returns. Out on parole and helping Team Arrow.

    - It was most kind of Diggle to arrange for Ben’s son Connor to be moved to a safe house with Lyla and J.J.

    - What that bacteria did to some of the people in that outside lobby was grotesque! Figures that the authorities would blame Team Arrow for that.

    - The return of PalmerTech (formerly Queen Consolidated). I wonder if the people of Star City saw Ne-Ray’s commercial of his soul-stealing app in the episode of DC’s Legends of Tomorrow earlier.

    - Finally, the sergeant sided with Team Arrow. Calling them heroes and backing them up by evacuating PalmerTech.

    - Emiko flipped a little too late. The fact that she told the rest of the Ninth Circle about Felicity and her baby, forcing Oliver and Felicity to step back and leave Star City, only makes her death more deserving.

    - OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD! The Monitor returns at Oliver and Felicity’s home and the deal that Oliver made to save Barry Allen (The Flash) and Kara Danvers (Supergirl) in Elseworlds is finally revealed: Oliver must die to save the Multiverse! He goes with The Monitor to help him fight the crisis (On Infinite Earths). Saying his tearful farewells to an infant Mia and Felicity. Then in 2040, Felicity goes with The Monitor to reunite with Oliver. This may imply that Oliver doesn’t die in Crisis on Infinite Earths after all! Unless it’s some kind of afterlife.

    So ends Season 7 of Arrow. Come October 2019, the Final Season of Arrow! I’m not trippin’ over this episode being Felicity’s last. She will obviously be back for Crisis on Infinite Earths and the Series Finale of Arrow.

    Besides, the future and fates that we’ve seen this season could change given all the time-changing and altering events that have happened and will happen in The Flash and DC’s Legends of Tomorrow. As Charles Xavier said in X-Men: Days of Future Past: “The future is never truly set.”

    One more thing! Given The Monitor sudden appearance at the end of this Season Finale of Arrow, would it stand to reason that he will suddenly appear at the ends of the Season 5 finale of The Flash, the Season 4 Finale of Supergirl, and the Season 4 Finale of DC’s Legends of Tomorrow?
     
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    I have a lot of mixed feelings towards this finale. Granted, compared to Game of Thrones last night, this episode felt godly. Nevertheless, it was a mess.

    First off, the Emiko plot was resolved way too easily. Like seriously, we spent the last half of the season on it and that's it? That's how she goes out? What happened to Virgil and the random woman that showed up? They just seemed to disappear mid-battle.

    Next up, the cops just being on the side of the heroes again was also random. Shouldn't we had actually gotten a scene SHOWING this aspect? Same goes for Bronze Tiger's parole. Was there no time in the generic rehashed plot a few week's back to show him getting released from prison?

    The fight choreography and camera work remained stellar, especially in the computer server room with the way the camera was just gliding across the battlefield. That was pretty damn awesome.

    On the other hand, the editing between the present day stuff and the future crap was very immersion breaking. Like oh my god, just as things were getting good in the present, it would then jump right into the future for like 30 seconds, go back to the present for another 30, then back to the future, ad nauseum. Of course, the future crap was just that, crap. I really wished Mia had died on top of that buildilng, but thank the gods this stuff is done and over with.

    I had a feeling Monitor was going to show up in the end there, but if you were to stop the episode right as Oliver is sitting in the chair with Mia in his arms, it would make for the perfect series finale moment. I wonder if this means the next season will be all about the adventures of Oliver traveling through the Multi-verse. I hope so as that would be interesting and be something different for a show entering its 8th season.

    I expect Felicity will show up in the series finale, but this is a good send off for her and everyone else until Crisis.

    Overall, it was a really subpar season with some really great highs and a lot of massive low points. It's worst aspects related to the future stuff and that half of this season was just utterly boring. Diaz was a terrible villain and Emiko was no better. In fact, the show horribly underutilized Adrian Paul's talents. he should have had a much BIGGER role than he did. The best episode of the season for me was the prison break one followed by the one with the documentary-esque style. The worst, eh, there was a lot and I don't remember them all anymore. I'm just glad the season is done and over with and the show is going to have a definite ending whether it goes the way the Monitor says it is going to go or ends up changing.
     
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    I would have been satisfied if this episode was the end of the series, for all its faults this was a good way to end it. The torch was passed, Oliver and Felicity's fates were revealed, and while there were a few loose plot threads I can live with them. Of course there has to be one more season just to milk the cash cow a bit more...
     
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    I totally agree. This would have been a perfect send off. They could have then just had him return in Crisis.
     
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    Agreed if this was a series finale.

    I am glad though it's ending next season. I guess Batwoman will take Arrow's place.

    With the exception of Diaz (who was the worst villain in CW), I thought this show was ok at worst overrall. Never got me excited to see it, but never was like "That episode was so dumb" like the Flash or Supergirl.
     
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    I still want to know what the deal was with the Longbow Hunters and The Quadrant. Both of those plots just disappeared after Diaz was jailed.
     
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    5 + 4 = 9... so how are you getting 10?

    Obviously the 5 is referring to how many episodes he's finished filming. However the confusion is over the fact that there's suppose to be a total of 10 episodes and he states there's only 4 to go. 5 + 4 = 9

    When the math doesn't add up, yes. According to this statement and you 5 + 4 = 10

    Oh and to add to the confusion... there's suppose to be 10 episodes of Arrow. But Crisis on Infinite Earths being a cross over with other shows means there technically should be more than 10 episodes he has to film. Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Supergirl, Batwoman assuming she has her own series at the time of the crossover, and it's rumored that Black Lightening will be involved with this crossover. So technically that's a total of potentially 15 episodes. Of course we don't know for sure which series is going to kick off the crossover, which ones will actually be involved as that's just rumors and speculation at this point we only know that Arrow itself was suppose to have a total of 10 episodes.

    It's possible he was not including the Crossover event in this episode count and that's why it's only 9 because those are the episodes of Arrow excluding the Crossover but that's really not clear.
     
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    like I said ... 9 episodes BEFORE the crossover ... so 9 regular episodes + the crossover one = 10 episodes total

    writing a crisis is coming implies he is counting episodes that prelude or lead to the crossover, before it happens

    he is very likely talking only about his own show, without including the crossover, so the four extra episodes he is filming for the flash, legend, supergirl and batwoman probably out the equation ; so yeah, like you suggested, not counting the crossover , or at least not the entire thing, since he still has to count one episode of the event, which is arrow's section
     
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    Another contributing factor to the confusion is that people likely thought the 10 episodes of Arrow would not include the Crossover one potentially bringing the total to 11 episodes of Arrow.

    I'd also like to point out that confusion like this is quite common. I mean the same thing happened with Doctor Who where people were not expecting there to be a special because there was only suppose to be 10 episodes in series 11. We ended up with 11 episodes including the New Years special. But the thing is specials aren't generally counted in the season's episode count. This has always been the case at least for New Who. Classic Who was run a bit differently. But 11 seasons in and people are still confused the episode counts.

    It's also largely inconsistent... I mean Doctor Who has consistently never included Specials in the episode counts but other shows do include Specials. Some shows include some specials but not others. Like they might include a Christmas special but not include a cross over with another show.

    This might all contribute to people not being clear if the season of Arrow is 10 Episodes + Crisis or 9 Episodes + Crisis.
     
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    My confusion is then does that mean Arrow is NOT going to end until Jan? If so, that seems kind of dumb. Also, that clearly means Oliver does NOT die in Crisis.
     
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    it was already heavily implied in the season 7 finale flash forward that ollie isnt actually dead and more so cosmically taken off the board
     
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    Yes, but that doesn't mean history still couldn't be altered and Oliver would have ended up dying in Crisis. Having the show end after Crisis takes out all of that suspense.
     
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    While that’s true, the flash forward last season was pretty clearly set up as taking place post crisis since the reason felicity had to take care of Mia alone was because Ollie left with the monitor.
     
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    See, that also bothers me. That means nothing is going to change at all due to Crisis.
     
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    I don’t think crisis was ever intended to change that future
     
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    Then what's the point? If everything is already fixed, there's really no point to a major event like CoIE even happening.
     
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    Coie doesn’t change the future, it merges the multiverse, that’s the point. The monitor showing up in the future to take felicity to “him” and the fact that Mia grew up without a dad shows that that future was always post crisis