STAR WARS - General Topic Discussion

Discussion in 'Movies and Television' started by DarkEnergon22, Jan 21, 2018.

  1. SharkyMcShark

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    I'm not convinced that's the message.

    Yoda and Sidious are positioned as the most powerful force users in the OT and they are frail old things who don't have lightsabers. Yoda specifically tells Luke not to take the saber with him into the cave because he doesn't need it there.

    I take the message to be the following:
    1. Your spiritual connection to and power in the Force has nothing to do with lightsaber skill (obvious)
    2. Anticipating conflict is in certain circumstances begging that conflict (less obvious)

    I suppose what I'm trying to say is that there's enough there in ESB, ROTJ, and TLJ to show that one of the running theme goes beyond simply that one shouldn't act out of fear.

    EDIT: Also sorry for taking like a week to reply to this.
     
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    That doesn’t change the fact that he lashes out in fear whenever he has the weapon. Humans very easily associate coincidence with causation, both in and outside our universe.
     
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    That doesn't really counter my point though, bearing in mind that his master tells him he doesn't need it right before he lashes out the first time, after having given him a speech about how the Dark Side is easier.
     
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    I don't know it seems pretty clear: "Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they." "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, NEVER for attack." (Yoda's emphasis; not mine.)

    So the cave, he definitely didn't need his weapons, per what Yoda had said. Because the lesson was for Luke to calmly face his fear (Vader), just like how he did on Endor. His failure in the cave was the same failure at Cloud City. As soon as he saw Vader, he got scared (fear), and initiated the conflict (anger/aggression); not the way of the Jedi. In those exact moments, he lost the moral high ground. (If I am understanding what you mean by *anticipating conflict*), an individual, Jedi or not, has to take responsibility for their own actions. In the cave, at Cloud City, and in Ben's bedroom, Luke acted out of fear and initiated conflict. The outcomes of each of those events probably would have gone down very differently if he had he not.

    But initiating conflict is different than a Jedi not being able to carry around and use a lightsaber for protection (i.e., defense), like Obi-wan in the cantina, and vs. Vader. Luke in the Wampa cave, and against the At-AT, and at the sail barge. Because in those instances danger was real and imminent, and neither Obi-wan nor Luke initiated the conflict.

    I couldn't tell you why Yoda didn't seem to be carrying a lightsaber on Dagobah, as it was never expressly mentioned. It could very well be that he didn't feel like he was in danger. Same with the Emperor too. The Emperor was the most powerful person in the galaxy. He was surrounded by loyal troops everywhere he went, and was a powerful force user. He demonstrated an ability to read someone's feelings, so (theoretically) if he ever got a bad feeling about someone, he could have them killed, probably without much effort, before he was ever attacked. So again, I don't know, since it was never expressly explained, but clearly, he never felt like he was in immediate danger, until Vader picked him up and threw him. For whatever reason, both carried in the PT, and not in the OT, and Yoda was never not believed to be the most powerful Jedi during the PT, and was only 20 years younger (out of 900, which seems to be a negligible difference).
     
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    Take this with the appropriate humor it’s intended. Some kid used a picture of Obi-Wan for a Sunday service flyer. Hilarious. If this is offensive in anyway at all please delete it. In no way is this intended to offend anyone.

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    The fact that Force mind tricks now work on droids in NuWars is funnier.
     
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    When did this happen?
     
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    I know that it's a thing in EA Battlefront II for balance purposes, but otherwise I don't know of a canon example.
     
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    Um, I think that was revealed a while back...
     
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    Hard to believe they’re “wrapping stuff up” with all these new editions.
     
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    Still one of the best SW memes ever made and funnier than literally any comedic moment in the entire franchise
     
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    Nothing beats young Obi-wan mistaken for Jesus.
     
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