That may be what the actors mean, but that doesn’t mean that’s what the studio wants. Paramount may look at the G1 cartoon as the Bible for the upcoming films. Especially in the current state of the film industry. Nostalgic and familiar = more money. I know that’s very cynical and I don’t necessarily believe that’s what the next films will be, but it’s something to think about.

 

You have ZERO idea who you're talking about. Cullen's worked for years for Disney, movies (He was The Predator), etc. Welker? He was established and most likely a millionaire by the time Transformers aired. He's Fred in Scooby Doo, he was Hanna-Barbera's go-to guy, he worked for DiC (Dr. Claw in Inspector Gadget) and he's been not only voices, but sound effects in the biggest motion pictures in history. (Not joking, go check it out.) He's also the cave of wonders from Aladdin. Welker is never, ever hurting for money. If you've seen a movie, chances are you've heard him or both of them.

This is out of love, not money.

As stated. A Saturday morning cartoon villain. He still won, though. He killed Optimus, he became Galvatron, he finally won. Sort of. Bayverse Megatron? "It's pathetic, actually. You'll be nothing but Sentinel's BITCH!" in a nutshell. Bah.

It's been posted plenty of times, quoted directly. He had a real internal struggle with the dialogue and even brought it up but was shot down and recorded it.

"it kinda failed" No, it actually FAILED. Not kinda, it flat out failed. Bay was going to walk away after TLK, but they obviously planned on leaving the door open with that mid-credits scene that was tacked on badly. It killed the entire franchise and cost Paramount pictures $100-150 million dollars in losses. Bay hasn't come back, they're not calling him back, Paramount's put a leash on Lorenzo and the other producers, and Hasbro is beginning to take creative control with Allspark Pictures. That's why Bumblebee worked and Bayverse didn't. Hasbro really had no say over the TF movies and even had to pay for rights to make the toys loosely based on their own property. Now? They call the shots, it's their property again, and it's being well received by most.

Hasbro went back to the heart of it all, G1. If not the look, the feel, and it worked. Star Trek had Picard, arguably the best Starfleet captain, period... But he met Kirk and saved the universe. Enterprise went to the mirror side of things in the future and saw Kirk's ship. Everything returns to its origins if it's smartly handled. Doesn't have to stay there forever, but at least needs to visit.

Oh, really? Guess what? We've tried it your way for the better part of 35 years. RID? Dead. Unicron Trilogy? A few updates, otherwise dead. Animated? So dead. Prime/PRID? Dead, ended badly and nonsensical. Bayverse? They killed it on purpose because Bay sabotaged it. Cyberverse? Eh. On its way out, most likely. I don't see it being a forever thing.

What's always held everything together is G1. I used to hate G1, toys included. (Even the updates.) I started to open my eyes. G1 lives because it WORKS. You can hate on it all you want, but it's the truth.

"Other lines and stories could thrive if they'd give them a chance!" THEY DID. All of them have either lived out their usefulness or died suddenly and forced into a tidy final episode package. It baffles me that even some of the G1 fans who grew up with it are on your side. It doesn't mean you or they are right, it means they're on the wrong side of this argument.

Like it or not, G1 started it, made it live, made it thrive, and continues to be a financial success. We had 11 years of movies, they either failed at the box office, with critics, audiences, or all of the above. They had 10 years to get it right and they didn't. The only film that was a genuine box office success as well as critical was Bumblebee and it returned to heart, it returned to G1 feel, it gave us legit fleshed out villains, even if only at surface level. Still a better time the 11th year than the previous 10 years of botched failures.

Would it really be the end of the world if G1 saved it all? If so, then Transformers just isn't for you.

BINGO. Burnout gets it.

We're asking for one G1 flick with Cullen and Welker helming the thing and their buddies along for the ride. ONE film out of what will be seven. ONE and y'all would begrudge us that. And we're called selfish? That's friggin' ridiculous, people. This is what happens when people get what they want and it's not enough. Entitled little brats.

He did, sadly. Scatman Cruthers died I believe in the late 80s.

You laugh, but we've seen they're willing to entertain such ideas.

This.

BOOM.

I'm so tired of selfish people wanting more. If their Bayverse, RID, PRID, et al had worked, we'd be looking at a very different Transformers cinematic landscape. It didn't, so it's time to let the classics do their job. Y'all will live if we get ONE G1 movie. What's wrong? Worried it might work and people will ask for more? Guess what? When something's good, people always want more.

People, in general, are also dumb animals which explains how Bayverse ever got to the point it did. I sadly helped contribute to that. Shame on me.

 

Exactly. Don't know why this is even a controversial view around here.

 

G1 has the most exposure to the mainstream audience alongside the movies and it's always has been since 2006 then any other TF series period. Sure certain years are shorter then others and not every G1 related content that came out has been gold but the point is it's that one way or another there's always going to be options for the G1 fanbase. That's not something the other TF fans like the BW and UT fandoms can say at this point. Of course the TF movies up till TLK have had a long streak for 12 years but so does G1 and that's the point some people are making here and why they're so frustrated about the going back to the roots comment the article made. It basically gave out the vibe that said "The rest of you fans that didn't grew up with G1 can forget about having the series you grew up being represented and brought back cause unlike G1 and it's fans you don't matter as much!". I know that was never the intent but can you blame folks for feeling like it did? G1 is important and beloved no one's denying that but the other TF eras were just as important into keeping the brand alive and fresh with many of them being just as beloved as G1 so that comment understandably rubs the non G1 people the wrong way.

Had G1 truly got the same level of exposure the other TF eras did in that regard then it would've been different but as it is G1 has just as much if not more exposure then the TF movies prior to Bumblebee 2018.

 

No they haven’t been given the chance. They’ve never been given a chance in the Generations line. You know Generations? The name itself hints that it encompasses the brand but it really doesn’t.

Transformers must not be for me since Hasbro is constantly catering to just one group of people so okay.

Wow. The victim mentality of “WHY WOULD YOU DENY US THIS?!” is honestly off the charts. And, again, being called an entitled brat and told to “get over myself” by group of people who literally have an entire brand catering to them and pretty much screech when Hasbro releases something that isn’t G1 is funny.

Also, I’m sorry I missed it, but calling Bay fans “dumb as animals” is apparently okay, but calling older G1 fans “Geewunners” is somehow toxic. Quite honestly, crappy attitudes like this is why I have basically turned away from G1 and don’t like it as much. I grew up with G1 myself. It’s one of the first things that I branched out to shortly after discovering the first live action movie back in 2008. I immediately fell in love with it. G1 fanboys have just made G1 unappealing to me.

 

i just want mix of all/most transformers including g1

how am i the one making everything else fall under g1? i refer to other continuities as such, when i say i want more than g1 that means i think everything is g1?!?

if you want better films say you want better films, saying being more like g1 doesn't imply the same

bayverse overstayed it's welcome and g1 won't comeback to overcast the rest of the series 35 years that made this series

 

Hugo sounded like a bored stockbroker.lol.

 

What other series do you guys think would be good for a movie? I missed a Huge chunk of Transformers toons inbetween Beast Wars and Animated, so I'm curious to your ideas.

 

anything and everything just have it well written

 

A rather interesting opinion. Hugo Weaving did a great job, but I feel Frank Welker did even better. His voice and Cullen’s are really the only saving graces of the Wahlberg films. It’s actually unfortunate that Bay never had Welker voice Megatron in the Witwicky trilogy.

 

G1 didn't have 12 years. It was 8 stretched out over a decade with a long dead zone spot in the middle. Last episode of any sort was like 1988. BW didn't air until 1996 or very late 1995. The Bayverse has had plenty of time to establish itself and do it right from the get-go and it didn't do it. We should've seen the writing on the wall when they aren't even the main characters in their own film. They don't even show up until 58 minutes into the flick and even then, they still take a back seat because CGI was so expensive back then.

I absolutely understand how Bayverse fans feel, now, because that's how G1 fans have felt since 2006 when the script was leaked and the first designs unveiled. It sucks being there, you'd think we'd be sympathetic towards them, but no. Why? Because they treated us (I count myself among them, now) like dirt (guilty of that myself when I was a big movie fan) from the get-go and now they cry they've been robbed, etc, but they received 5 movies over a decade. We've had 1.5 in 35 years. Cry me a river, I need to get to the other side.

Yes, they have! I collected the figures. They were the mainlines. I watched the cartoons. They had their chances, and they're receiving small updates here and there. To be fair, I think the Unicron trilogy guys and gals are getting the shaft with subpar figure updates and deserve better. But, even when I agree that they deserve better, I got attacked, twice, and told off because I don't think a Siege Hound repaint with a new head is good enough to give them what they deserve out of a Hot Shot update. Instead, I was ripped apart and told off because they were happy to take the scraps, any scraps. That's indecent of Hasbro. I won't change my mind on that.

That said, those toys had some neat gimmicks, articulation, they were well built and affordable. G1 had no real gimmicks until Optimus was murdered for sales, no articulation, some were well built, and most were not affordable. (It was the 80s. They sucked for everyone.)

You and I seem to be in agreement. The movies have catered to the Bayverse fans and no one else for 11 years. Wouldn't you say that's catering to one group? (You can say otherwise, but it'd be disingenuous.)

Oh, it's only okay when YOU do it. I see, gotcha. *nods* Not the game I play, chief. It's okay for you, it's okay for me. That's life.

Number 1... I was a Bayverse fan, I was dumb as an animal for supporting it. Though, I didn't say Bayverse fans were, I said people in general are. And general audiences supported these films, not just fans. When I wrote it, I was thinking back to Tommy Lee Jones delivering that line to Will Smith in MiB about people being dumb, panicky animals. He was right then, he's right now, it fits this discussion.

Oh, and Geewun/Geewunner is a badge of honor. I wear it gladly and find no offense in it. I love it. If someone's bothered by that title, then they're not really a Geewunner and part of our problem. There's nothing wrong with being a Geewunner, there's nothing wrong with being a Bayverse fan or a Prime fan or a RID fan, etc. It's what you do as a fan that's the problem. Continually supporting a film or series that diminishes what made Transformers work isn't the proper course of action, righting the ship is.

 

Erm are you sure about...everything? I can think of one particular offshoot that I've heard of, that wouldn't fly and def isn't kid-friendly. XD

 

so im guessing more g1 ?

 

lorenzo says yes lol

 

Indeed. That's why Lorenzo is a moron when it comes to his job.

 

Finally. There’s at least a sliver of common ground, because I definitely agree with this.

 

My simple response:

How about a balance of things?

 

Chris Latta is dead too.. Man, his voice is as iconic as Cullen's and Welker's.
Iconic that his same Starscream voice made it into Cobra Commander.

 

I’d be more interested in knowing what could work. I mean, G1 was the only series to use real world vehicles and an actual reason for the Transformers to be on Earth making it ideal for live action. Every other series relied on gimmicks, stylistic choices or unrealistic fantasy. Take those elements away and you’re just making G1 with a better story. (Unless people believe name slapping other series characters onto new bots will go over well).

*edit*
For example but not limited to, Gimmicks being scavenger hunts, stylistic choices being Anime’s overly cartoonish appearance, and unrealistic fantasy being energon as something found on Earth.

 

Blitzwing



edit and unrelated to the reply: screw anything I'v said before that contradicts me now

hasbro should make fans of all it's tf series happy not just g1

and with that said i'm going to blow my brains out or something of the like