-and I've never bought sooo many figures.

 

And I genuinely hope you love them in a way I can't.  

 

Just bring back Neil Ross for Springer or nothing!

 

I can't help but feel that hewing too close to Geewunn is like a snake eating its tail. The snake can only chew so far before eventually nothing of itself is left. In other words, you can only rely on nostalgia as your rallying cry for so long before something new needs to be infused into it. I really enjoyed the 2007 movie because it reset the franchise for me and reintroduced it to my adult eyes and sensibilities. I had always loved the characters and less so the toys, but seeing all of that given a fresh coat of paint totally rejuvenated me as a collector and as a fan.

I get that Welker/Cullen aren't saying that everything TF should be Geewunn from now on, but that the franchise needs to remember their roots. I just hope that remembering their roots doesn't mean endless 80's riffs and going back to the well constantly to pull up buckets of already well established character designs and story beats. The franchise needs to be forward thinking or eventually it risks becoming merely a shadow of its former self.

 

Well, yeah. As long as it has the spirit of G1, i'd be all for it. Well, sans the constant stereotypes found in the humans. Heck, all they need to do is make the characters act like they supposed to. Like Optimus being an stoic epic figure is one thing, but he lacks the fun & fatherly qualities found with him that makes him relatable. Like that one time he played hoops with the boys.

 

Welcome to my world he sounds like most transformer fans who watched movies say they don’t like them but are not blocky g1 enough neither was armada , cybertron, beast wars as you and I have got since first movie 2007 movie brought in new fans who never like transformers never watch and read and play transformers games my aunt she never like transformers UNTIL 2007 movies came about which brought in new fans.,

Yeah not everything in movies need be g1 as fans want it to be but old fans refuse recognize they like old cartoons armada , cybertron, Energon, beast wars they can except those transformers designs but never in movies same with characters and jokes seems like one sided comment weaker made as most fans on sites say about movies until bumblebee movie got made if it’s not g1 old fans will not like it but they will like cartoons and comics of them.

Make transformers movie that is g1 and have sound wave transform into something that is not radio laptop, military communication vehicle, Verizon van with dish on it prime in truck mode in bumblebee movie red semi truck that’s not realistic that is all cartoony all my life I never saw all red semi truck driving on road.

New movies need appeal to every one not just old fans it was new fans that made new movies successful if another live action transformers movie have someone look very cartoon looking that will push new fans always from seeing i garantee to people it was 80 percent or more of old fans who saw bumblebee movie over new fans who never will watch cartoons and read comics in there’s life time if new fans saw bumblebee movie it would have surpassed 2007 movie but bots probably look cartoony to them for most of them to see it and don’t give me excuse transformers is tiresome how many comic book movies have been avengers end game beat avatar record there where four times as much comic book movies more over transformers movies all together stuff you saw bay versions have happen in g1 cartoon series as well

 

EXACTLY!!! It’s almost at the point where I feel like it’s trying to choke me to death. If it continues down this dangerous path, I’ll have no choice but to abandon the franchise, and I REALLY don’t want to do that. 

 

I started watching with the original Transformers when I was a kid, and the 1986 movie has remained my favorite. I didn\'t see most of the intervening shows, except a bit of Beast Wars (which I really disliked) and Beast Machines (which I did like alright), but I really loved Prime. AFAIC, it was a really great adaptation and updating for the Transformers mythos, with a tight set of characters getting actual character and some compelling storylines and visuals.

 

I grew up with G1 and have a lot of nostalgia for it, but more than that, I just love the concept of Transformers. That's why I try every incarnation of the brand, even if I don't expect I'll enjoy it. I thought I would hate Beast Wars and loved it. Animated seemed like it would be terrible but I powered through to the stuff that worked for me. The live-action movies left me cold after the first one, but I still gave them repeated chances. I'm glad I did because I adored the Bumblebee movie. Cyberverse seemed like it would be dumb but is a lot of fun. There are plenty of shows that I didn't like too, but I tried them all. Personally I don't worry about what the marketing people want from me. If I stubbornly refused to try things because of their expectations, I'd be missing out on shows, comics, movies and more that I love, and that artists worked hard on in the hopes of it being appreciated. Forget the bean counters. Try stuff out for yourself so you won't miss something good. Worse case scenario, you can come on here and bitch with more authority about what you don't like.  

 

Having a G1 cast reunion via the next movie is a really cool idea.
Jazz, Wheeljack & Starscream would need recasting amongst others.

 

I have to ask as to how exactly you would expect Hasbro to not make a G1 focused line that isn't cartoon first - namely because the designs were for the most part the exact same as those used in the comics. Furthermore, a lot of the comic original stuff has gotten nice nods here and there. Straxus? His Generations deluxe is great. Scrounge? They figured out that turning a UFO sideways is a wheel and thus made a toy of a guy who otherwise wouldn't have even been acknowledged in a million years. Impactor? He's gotten at least three confirmed releases at this point (granted one of them is the nonsensical Decepticon rebranding, still don't understand that myself). Universe 2.0 Ratchet's license plate is a clear shoutout to the famous 'HELP US' comic cover.

You aren't the only one - I personally would love a new 'AU' line again, but the sad fact is that Hasbro really doesn't want to do that anymore. Not after Aligned blew up in their faces.

And yet unlike many fans before you, you're whining about not getting what you want after 12 years of getting exactly what you want.

Maybe if the movies didn't treat the robots like shit, people wouldn't care they aren't G1. Hell, you know what would've happened if Scourge showed up in the films? People would be bitching about him not being a black semi truck more than a made up spacecraft, because arguably the more popular guy named Scourge is not the G1 version.

As long as the robot mode looked accurate enough, Soundwave being a communications-related vehicle would be applauded. I don't think you quite understand that this idea of people wanting G1 again don't actually want total adherence. They just want the spirit of the original series, surely that isn't too much to ask?

Yeah...how'd that work out for TLK?

And yet Hasbro's steaming ahead with that Netflix cartoon series so...you're still wrong.

The most commonly cited reason by the mass public as to why they didn't see Bumblebee was that the designs still looked like bayformers designs. Seriously, it's kind of amazing how you're just getting the completely wrong idea about this.

Dude, what the hell are you even saying here? Can you at least learn to use periods?

 

to those who say only g1 sells how do you explain tf3? a terrible movie yes but im tired of people saying of people thinking that nothing else is profitable

 

Frustrated as I am with Hasbro's strong G1 push the reason why I'm not jumping to the conclusion that Hasbro's no longer willing to do anything non G1 or anything AU TF related ever again after the Aligned situation was that it's not fully against giving some spotlight on them from time to time. Like how Cyberverse is making Cheetor a main character in season 2 along with bringing back more BW and non G1 characters in them and Warden's made strong hints on us seeing more of that in Generations in the future which makes me think Hasbro wants to attempt that again but wants to be more careful on how to do it this time which if that's the case then that's a big relief for us wanting to see more then G1 again. Could lead to us finally getting that BW movie that's brought up in the future too.  

 

A film that was given nigh-exclusive status at imax theatres for a very generous period of time (beating out Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Pt. 2), meaning a much greater percentage of profit per ticket since imax tickets cost more than regular tickets.

It also was 2011 and following a pattern of traditional film sequel releases at the time, DOTM being seen as the end of the trilogy (which it damn well should have been). The MCU, in comparison, was still technically in its infancy because the first Avengers wouldn't be released until the following year.

Plus, literally nobody is saying that nothing other than G1 is profitable, what's really being said is that the bayverse isn't profitable, because to be fair it's gotten to the point where a good number of people on this website have straight up classified literally everything not bayverse as G1, regardless of if it actually originates from that series or not. The reality, though, is that Hasbro's sticking with G1 because it's the only thing they know will be a surefire seller, that's how bad the franchise has been financially since TLK screwed the pooch back in 2017. They legitimately didn't believe that film was going to fail and everybody went all in on it...and lost.

 

Realistically, these guys know where their bread is buttered. G1. Can't knock em for trying to keep employed, especially since the reboot focused on Bee...not Prime.

We need a live action movie that truly recognizes and respects G1 history. Bayverse did not do this. Hopefully, any reboot will.

 

i have to disagree with bayverse not being profitable , failing critically yes but tlk is the exception to bayverse's profit also the existence and effort poured into studio series would say otherwise. yes bayverse was milked dry of the same concept and kept going causing it to lose the interest of mainstream audiences but the same can happen for this new universe

 

The film that lifts plot elements from G1 episodes The Ultimate Doom and Megatron's Master Plan?

 

Not if you pay attention to the numbers.

AoE made over a billion dollars, yes...but artificially. Numerous measures were undertaken to appeal to the Chinese government that meant Paramount got more money per ticket sold in China than what normally is allowed to western distributors. Throw in the massive amount of pandering (famous Chinese actors, the juicebox, the fact the final battle is on their side of the planet this time, etc) and you get AoE as a film that was built for the Chinese market.

TLK, in comparison, was expected to do the same internationally without the massive assistance of the Chinese government. @SilverOptimus can back me up, I believe (or correct me if I'm wrong), but TLK needed to make a million dollars simply to break even.

And yet TLK made less money than the first film, even though the first film was supposedly a far riskier endeavor because it wasn't an established blockbuster franchise, whereas TLK was coming off of ten years of success and burned it all to the ground. That isn't a mere 'anomoally' when you misread the market that badly, especially considering that AoE marked the first time that a sequel made less than the film it came after - TLK's failure just underscores the trend line showing DOTM was when the franchise peaked.

And where, pray tell, was all that effort during the last two toylines where the films were actually in theaters? How long did it take to get a toy of Lockdown that was not shit? How long did it take to get a toy of Stinger whatsoever?

This is a self-defeating idea. You are suggesting that milking a concept dry but continuing, the proverbial act of killing the goose who laid the golden egg, yet immediately do a 180 and say even trying anything different is just as much a risk. You are condemning both the act of change and the act of not changing simultaneously.

 

That's what Michael Bay didn't understand about Optimus Prime.

 

That would be a beautiful thing to see and hear.