If that new deal is true it would seem the best of both worlds for both companies.

 

50 million dollar budget film, made over 200 million. Sounds like it was a good idea for them, to me.

 

But it really isn't. People keep forgetting marketing costs. Transformers as a film franchise should be a sobering reminder for all of us, here. Just because a movie makes money doesn't mean it actually made money. It has to make insane amounts, basically, to be a success.

Oft-times, movies are financed, via investors or banks and then the studio pays them back once the film starts making any kind of money. It's rare that studios pony up right out of their own pocket. Sony, included.

I get the Disney hate, but I don't get the "let's let Sony off the hook for everything" thing you have going. They've had as many inept moves as Disney's had evil ones. Neither's a prince, kay?

 

I won't lie, finding someone that's this...unique was pretty fascinating.

 

It's not that I hate Disney. It's not that I like Sony. It's that I understand that these companies exist to make money. Four times the budget, is still profiting. They've probably made at least double their money back.

But, let's say it didn't make it's money back, so what? Disney's made a lot of movies that were also bad ideas too. They're both shitty companies. Sony makes a lot of shitty movies, yes, but, so does Disney. In this case, I think they're both being shitty. It's just that Sony's being less shitty. A 50/50, or even a 30/70 deal, when you have the upper hand, is a shitty deal. Not only to yourself, but to all your investors you've mentioned.

 

It's not a bad deal, especially at 30/70, because it'll bring them more money over the length of the deal than it would have if it crashed and burned without the MCUs involvement.

Disney, more often than not, has had a string of successes that Sony wishes they could have. Disney's failures are far outweighed by the wins. Sony can't say that as of late.

If I was a shareholder, I'd want them to go with the (for now) guaranteed success, not play by their own rules. I can tell you the shareholders (the ones who actually pay attention) are freaking out right now.

And as for the Emoji movie... (You deleted your original response pertaining to it) it's still really not a success. $50 mil sounds like peanuts for $200. But double the price for advertising leaves you with $100 outstanding. Any creditors/lenders/financiers will take their cut, first. Not to mention, paying Apple (if they used their properties, I don't know, didn't see the movie) and whomever else.

People like to cite TLK making $600+ on a like...$135-150ish budget... It was financed to the gills, flopped, and ended up costing Paramount money, to the tune of $100-150 mil, if estimates are correct.

So, the Emoji movie is not the blockbuster success they've been selling it as.

Even sadder for those of us who enjoyed Bumblebee. It was a success, by comparison, because it actually made money and Paramount apparently didn't owe a dime when it was all over, the financing/partners got paid, and it made a little profit. It made $485 on $118 or 135 (something like that). Normally, that would be considered a dud, but because TLK was so bad, the word of mouth so good, and everyone got paid, it's officially a success.

Emoji can't fully claim that, and neither can Sony.

 

50/50 of your profit is a good deal? To who? Sony? Sony handing over half the movie's profits is good for Sony? How?

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I'm not going to talk about the 30/70 thing, since we have one report of Sony rejecting Marvel's offer. And, one where Disney rejected Sony's. So, I have no idea which one to trust. So, I'm calling both bullshit. At least, until we have better information.

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And, look, I understand this being a good deal for Disney. It'd be a great deal for Sony, if it was something decided when Sony "Crashed and burned" after the Spider-Man 2.2 movie was released. When Sony was struggling. But, now, Sony is not struggling.

But, if this was reversed, and Sony did this 50/50 deal to Disney, I'd still say it was a bad idea. I don't care about which company did it. Sony or Disney. It's the deal itself, which is shitty.

 

It kind of comes across to me that Disney’s getting more out of that then Sony... if it even is true. Almost like they are asking for too much...

 

I’d hold off on getting excited if I were you.

Apparently the Instagram post is referring to a hiking trip RDJ and Holland just had and I’m not sure Cosmic Book News is particularly credible since one article they had in reference to the Instagram post stated Iron Man died in Infinity War, which is false.

Hang in there...

 

After this response, we're done discussing it. You're being difficult on purpose. I said the 30/70 was especially good, I didn't say 50/50 was. But even then, if someone's footing half the bill, they deserve their share back, but whatevs.

I know where you stand, you know where I stand. We're not going to agree on this, so let's agree to disagree and move on.

Thanks.

 

Ehh... yeah, no. I think Disney went overboard with the 50/50 split even if they were going to pick up half the tab, but Disney only asking 30 and still helping to finance other Marvel features from Sony... Sony being greenlite for the tv shows they want to do (and my understanding is they'd be done on Disney +), Venom coming to the MCU (which could only help that film series), plus a lot of other things mentioned... this deal is good for both companies. I fail to see where Disney is asking for "too much" with this second deal. Again, if it's real and we probably won't know for sure until D23... which is soon... and that's good because than everyone who thinks the world is ending can stop and realize that these two companies are just playing hardball with each other (waving their dicks at one another to see who's going to call who's bluff first basically) and a new deal was ALWAYS going to be reached eventually.

 

Shoot... you know what? I'm with Doomcock on this one:

 

Jesus. I'm finding it hilariously fascinating how so many of the same people here who have tirelessly accused Disney of being the ultimate uncaring evil conglomerate that devours everything in its path yada yada yada in every single Star Wars thread are making the exact same company sound like innocent little babes in the woods just trying to make everything okay in THIS thread. How curiously convenient.

 

Like I said... it's a dick waving contest between to big conglomorates right now and they're trying to see who'll call the other's bluff first. Spidey leaving the MCU wouldn't be good for Disney or Sony.

 

I also would like to remind everyone how the entire world was cheering for Disney when they acquired Fox, treating it like a Messiah moment. Now all of a sudden Disney is the ultimate evil. I mean, yeah, people already knew that since the subliminal messages of The Little Mermaid but DAMN are they treating it like the Satan of all Satans!

 

Oh I agree. My comment, like most of my previous recent ones, are simply observational while I sit here watching several people's basic common sense leak out of their heads JUST because they're mad. That's it. They're just mad, and in desperation to blame someone... ANYONE, they cherrypick half the facts/info that's convenient to the narrative THEY prefer despite the other half of the facts/info sitting right there for everyone else to see & read. I mean, I'm legitimately in awe of how foolish and just flat out childish some people are making themselves look like right now while they get all caught up in this fanboy hive mind banality. There should be a damn behavioral study done on this particular clusterfuck, because... christ.

 

It just kind of came across to me that Disney would be getting more out the deal.

But I can guess my perception was off.

But, what do we know, for all we know this is probably bull.

 

Well, it could very well be bull. Really we won't know anything concrete until D23 at this point.

 

Now to non-Spider-Man news...

Marvel Studios D23 Banner Teases Disney+ TV Shows And Reveals Both The Watcher And A Celestial

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Uatu the Watcher makes his debut in the MCU!