That is a really interesting point. I never stopped and thought about that being a possibility.

 

It’s always good enough when you aren’t trying to use intent to “prove” something in the finished product

For example.....as far as the BW cartoon goes, writer intent is not prove positive that the Vok are 100% the evolved form of the Swarm in terms of canon

But writer intent does can be used to show that the writers of the BW cartoon were drawing from both the g1 comics and the g1 cartoon to form the back story for Beast Wars

Aksum, Writer intent can not be used dismiss what actually made it into the series......sometimes one writer wants something but others writers don’t and do something else

In other words......it’s how use it that counts

No one was trying to convince you of anything

We were just trying to give you the information

And you’re welcome to have your opinion

It’s what the dialog clearly started

You are welcome to deny it if you wish

There is no solid evidence, what so ever, from the G1 cartoon itself, that proves.....PROVES cybertron was a planet with a longer history than transformers or quintessons.

The bases of your beliefs comes from the beast machines cartoon and a few things from G1 that has alternative answers that you continually and willfully deny

i shall be waiting

And again, Vector Sigma never changes anything organic into metal

Can you explain to me why you think having energy reserves is weird

 

See that? That's called multiquote. You can click in on every single post to collect it all in one reply so as to not bury the thread in windows all by the same person.


Now, if you can imagine how annoying it must be when someone doesn't multiquote, imagine how much worse it is when somebody posts replies like a damn text chain instead of a forum.


Just saying


Testing testing testing

Its true...
Still do not have a hang of this

 

So much evidence.

Here is another: on desertion of dinobots, Shockwaves forces had dinobots mine for cybertonium. They where digging from Earth....not metal.

 

that only suggest

Nothing positive

desertion of dinobots,

The ground of the pit was gold in color, could have just as likely been soft metallic minerals

No solid evidence of earth

Keep trying, you might hit dirt some day

 

And more evidence: key to vector sigma part 2:

Megatron discovered the key to vector sigmas secret on account of soundwaves accident. The secret is revealed by megatron. The key to vector sigma "de-energizes energy and turns organic matter into metal." Megatron then plans to turn earth into a new cybertron with the key to vector sigma.

Is it not interesting to note how such a device is found on cybertron?

 

I see a more golden brown. You must be colour blind my rebelious unbelieving freind. I see dinobots digging and working hard. They are not sweeping up anything soft.

 

Why i could never be orthodox like primeultra: i believe anybody can continue the g1 saga. (As beast wars and beast machines have done) somebody today can produce an all new transformer saga ....based on example the quintesson age..... and yet base their original stories on a g1 timescale and universe. Or they could pick up where beast machines ended and continue the tale of future transformers on a now half organic restored cybertron. I believe in that. It is possible. I do not think g1 ended with g1 alone and that only the artists of the 1980's alone own transformers and no one can ever continue the tale or even mess up their story line....as beast wars sort of did, by messing around with the time line.

 

Cool, just busier than normal with work, might take a few days.

I think @Refletor3 knows what I am talking about.

I just think Cybertron is more likely to have a good energy supply if it was originally organic than if it were a Death Star style of planet.

I do not want to get too hung about the organic or non-organic elements of Cybertron, my main transformer g1 cartoon interests are after the Quintessons leave, but I am interested to know what people think about how Vector Sigma operates. How does Shockwave know for example that Vector Sigma is offline, for example?

In my headcanon, Hot Rod and Blaster's tapes are created through Vector Sigma after BOT but before the 1986 movie. I assume that Optimus Prime could use the matrix to somehow bring Vector Sigma online or maybe Vector Sigma just essentially 'woke-up' and was on-line again. Any feedback on this would be appreciated.

If you have got stories that are strongly based on G1 cartoons, just write them (even if not on G1), maybe if there is some sort of conflict regarding continuity, maybe just acknowledge the other side of the argument and then argue your case. If it is a good story, fans will like it.

 

No

Because it was never stated to be it’s main function

It was stated to be a side effect

Keep trying

You’re just stretching it buddy

Why would they need to sweep.....soft gold minerals need to be dug as well

You are making this too easy

I am in no way Orthodox, and I wish somebody would continue the G1 cartoon continuity.....It just hasn’t happened yet

The creators of beast wars took from both the g1 comic (which came first) and the g1 cartoon to set up the ur stories back ground

So Beast wars is not a direct continuation of either g1’s..... and since beast machines is directly connected to wars.......makes it not directly connected to the g1 comics or cartoon either

Facts not opinion or beliefs

I loved G2 and Re-Gen; in case you don’t know, both were (separately) direct continuations of the G1 comic book continuity

So again I would love it if somebody would directly continue on with new stories or a direct prequel stories of the G1 cartoon universe, but it had not happened yet

Are you sure about that? He has missed remembered a few things

For the record it was the key that was capable of doing that

I don’t feel that’s the case

Anybody with the ability to create such an artificial planet would have also had the ability to provide it with an ample source of renewable energy

 

Just to be pedantic the key is part of Vector Sigma, was it Centurian Guards would not attack Megatron when he show them the key.

Interesting about renewable, correct me if I am wrong but when you see the flashbacks, Cybertron is often in sunlight, but when in the recent past (1984 - 2010) I never recall seeing Cybertron it in sunlight (maybe for dramatic) effect, I kind of wonder did the nearest star went Nova at some point in time, and that meant no renewable solar energy. Bit random, sorry about that.

 

Part of.....is pretty vague
Is the key that starts my car really part of the car

Well if you go with the marvel back story....Which the season one writers were kind of going with........Millions of years of Civil War not cybertron from its orbit

So basically it became what was known as a rogue planet and was pretty much drifting through space and no longer in one position

My personal canon is that Cybertron is a Dyson sphere Dyson sphere - Wikipedia

That is if the Quints were capable of such an endeavor, maybe they found a binary star system with one smaller star and built cybertron around it

 

This is to answer a request for input on how vector sigma could have worked:

What we know from the only source: g1 animation. (No vector sigma in comic books). (Although vector sigma appears again in beast machines, but i will stick to orthodoxy....g1 only here for sudducean like people)
It is a super computer that gives life to metal robots. It has also an offshoot separate device called the key. The key turns organic matter into metal.

I believe it was a kind of first artificial intelligence of cybertron. Like any computer it had to have been created and constructed from physical things. But like many advanced machines, it can manipulate energy. I think it may be changing atoms at the molecular level, turning atoms like hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, and other atoms found only in organic substances into metalic atoms. (Giving appropriate number of protons, neutrons, and electrons to them) perhaps vector sigma has technology like the star trek holodeck, which creates matter by manipulating and teleporting particles.
I think the key could be compared to like a remote controls relationship to a television set. It seems the key can even control metal based mechanisms like the centurion drones. This may suggest that it can access the program of machines. We know of other cybertronian devices that directly manipulated programs of transformers souls to change their thinking. (Eg secret of omega supreme...but thats something else...)
We need perceptor who can elaborate further on the details of the physics. Lol

 

I say that cybertron is allready fillied with raw materials that could be converted into energon. Its just that over the ages we are told that resources and thus energy supplies where running out.
We are also told about a device called the plasma energy chamber. (Also appears in beast machines but again lets stick to g1 orthodoxy). The plasma energy chamber turned cybertron into a golden age again....made it rich with energy. This machine seemed to have been dependent on a sun to work. This may suggest that cybertron was once a planet or moon that orbited some star from some solar system.....in a distant past.

 

The orthodox ultraprime can be compared to many star trek fans who believed that the original series was never continued. Or that with gene r. The show could not exist, or be continued. What nonsence.
I wonder how many more transformer fans out there are like this? Can g1 even be continued with these unbelievers? I suppose no company except takara and hasbro can make "true" transformers for these people.

 

Okay, that. RIGHT THERE. That had nothing to do with quotes, why didn't you do that as paragraphs in the same post?

 

You really like proving you don’t know what your talking about

The Wings Universe comics utilized vector sigma....and the Dreamwave comics

Research my friend

Pretty much agreed

you are an extremely poor judge of others and motives ....btw the username is Primeultra

I’m a fan of Star Trek since the early 70s, I’ve loved every series and the best of the all was Deep Space Nine

Which was the 3rd installment, if you don’t count the cartoon

My position has nothing to do with orthodoxy or the belief that a series can not be continued, it has to do with continuity......and wether or not the newer series was fits or was intended to be a direct sequel to the original series

For example......Star Trek the next generation (DS9, Voyager) were intended to be direct sequels to ST:the original series

And even though there are a few “hiccups” the continuity pretty much holds together

Which differs from JJ Star Trek (new films) that had the intent of retelling the Star Trek universe....in other words a reboot of sorts , so a different continuity

with Beast Wars......the creators said it themselves.....they intended to take parts of both the G1 comic and cartoon.....making it not a direct sequel to either

We might get a direct sequel to the g1 cartoon one day, I hope we do, just has not happed yet

 

So you like star trek...
I do too!
Oh my... there's another topic we could talk about for hours and hours. I consider star trek as my favorite adult sci-fi show. And a modern day shakespearean masterpiece.
Transformers is my favorite childrens animated show.

I should have been more clear in my communication. My expertise and knowledge of transformers is limited to the past. Thus my focus is g1 comics, animated, and the g1 toys, beast wars, and beast machines. I stopped caring for transformers around 1990. At the end of my childhood. But briefly got back into it in 1998 to 2000 (beast wars and beast machines). Only very recently, (2016), after my curiosity lead me to buy my first masterpiece (bumblebee), was i so impressed that i got hooked and into masterpiece line of g1 transformers. Now that you know my background.....my talk will be limited to the above mentioned things only unfortunately.

 

Was just about to point out that it was clear he/she/splorgh was talking about the Marvel G1 comics, but they clarified. Carry on...

 

Good explanation of how Vector Sigma could work, I was more like asking how potentially Optimus Prime (later Rodimus Prime could use or unlock Vector Sigma after Alpha Trion had merged with Vector Sigma and the only known key was destroyed by the Aerialbot leader)?

Would rather prequels, I just think that Star Wars goes on and on with new death stars gets a bit repetitive, but there are so many gaps in the original series to explore.

But on Beasts Wars being a psuedo like sequel to the original US cartoon, the changing from Autobots to Maximals through the Great Upgrade does not sit well with me as I think the Great Upgrade is unlikely to be needed only 300 years or so after the Rebirth episode. Maybe Beast Wars better suits the Japanese continuity or the comics, I do not really know. Anyway, would like to know your (or others) thoughts on this, sorry I did ask earlier but did not get a reply on this particular matter.

As a bit of an alternative to Beast Wars, I more like think that some Decepticons maybe were allowed to live on Cybertron (like I have stated before) but maybe everyone kind of drops the Autobot and Decepticon names because it may be considered divisive and generally just call themselves Cybertronions. But then old factions are maybe reborn but under different names and then a plot like in the pilot of Beast Wars eventuates.

On Galvatron, I think that some of the Decepticons had a massive civil war after Re-birth and that really decimated their numbers.