Yeah... views change. But with Michael already in the directing chair five times, him being known for directing bad films, having bad critic reception, bad general audience reception, him saying numerous times that The Last Knight will be his last film, The Last Knight being a disaster causing the company to loose MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dollars, he’s quote on quote “going out with a bang,” and ShockwaveCannon said he expects Michael will probably return in 10 years time. By then he might retire mainly because he will be 64 years old. Most people retire in their sixties look it up. With all of this it’s highly unlikely the studio will want Michael back in the directing chair. Is it possible? Not really. He is legit... done. Also ShockwaveCannon said I “decided” he was done because I “hated him” Let’s make this clear to everyone... I don’t hate Michael, I just dislike things about his Transformers films and I thought AOE and TLK were trash. I never decided he was done... he did! He decided he was done and so did Paramount!

 

Why would they want Michael Bay back though? I mean, the last time his name appeared on a Transformers film? The end result was Paramount ending up $100 million in the red. The only reason they kept bringing him back was because the Transformers films were making money and the one time Paramount tried to do a Bay style film - Battleship - is a disaster story in of itself.

Now that TLK failed miserably and it's clear that the Bay style Transfsormers are no longer able to make money profitably? There's nothing for either party - Paramount or Bay - to gain by working together again on Transformers. Combined with the huge boost in public reception of the franchise that Bumblebee, which was specifically redesigned to be more visually distinct from the bay style where recognizable vehicle kibble apparently was seen like the White Star Line saw lifeboats on the Titanic; visually unnecessary, and Paramount would be stupid to try and go back to bayformers which nearly destroyed the company.

 

Excuse me? What on Earth are you talking about... if you have a problem with me editing my posts then why did you just edit yours? I edited my post to show context to what I was saying about Michael leaving and how it’s officially confirmed and your speculations about him returning are not official and nearly impossible to happen. (I also edit them to fix spelling errors and add context.)

Exactly. Paramount ended up being shitted all over because of the financial loss of The Last Knight. There is no way they would want him to return in the future... plus Michael doesn’t even want to. I don’t blame him either... he’s probably so SICK of these films.

 

Let's cool it with the off-topic bickering.

 

The Last Knight clearly wasn't his fault if the previous four films banked over a billion dollars with him in the director's chair. Common sense will tell you that.

They would want him back because only his films have made Transformers a billion dollar franchise.
Not even Bumblebee could made more than TLK.

Cool it with the off topic bickering, fam.

 

Exactly

 

And how many Transformers films exist that weren't directed by him? Because one of them was the animated film from 1986, and the other was met with widespread critical acclaim which is something the Transformers films never accomplished under Bay.

Wrong.

TLK lost $100 million dollars. That means the end total cost of the film, budget and marketing, was in excess of $700 million. TLK made less than the first film back in 2007.

Bumblebee may have made less than that, but it also cost a hell of a lot less and actually made a tidy small profit for Paramount. And last I checked, a positive number is more than a negative number.

TLK nearly killed Paramount. Bumblebee saved Paramount. Big difference.

 

Bumblebee might not have made as much as TLK but at least it wasn’t a mess, a box office flop, a critic flop and a general audience flop. TLK actually caused more harm than good to Paramount when Bumblebee was a much more satisfactory film for Paramount and Hasbro.

I think he was referring to us talking about whether Michael will return or not but I might be wrong... anyways if he was referring to the edited post thing then my apologies to him. Though please don’t tell someone to “stop editing their posts” when it exists on this board for a reason.

I legit couldn’t of have said it better myself good god.

Yet again you have a great point and he still has no valid points.

 

Yes and you also claimed he is NEVER coming back. “Most people retired in their 60’s” Key word: most. Not all. Right now, Bay seems motivated to continue directing movies. Just because most retire, doesn’t mean Bay will.

 

Was he? Cause if he was then there is no point in disucssing it anymore.
@AutobotAvalanche

That doesn't mean squat, no offense.
TLK made more money, it drew in more audiences. Bumblebee didn't. I don't care what the profit or lack of profit was for the studios.
The fact that TLK made more shows that people are more interested in Michael Bay film than a G1 inspired film.
And don't try and use the excuse that people were turned away from Bumblebee because of previous Bayformer films or because they thought it was direcred by Michael Bay, because word of mouth and the positive RT score along with people rewatching the film in theaters should have easily countered that. It didn't because clearly less people are interested in a G1 type film than a classic Bayformers movie.
So, Paramount would be smart to bring him back.
But, I think this whole discussion is off topic.

 

Personally I don’t want to discuss it anymore. What about you?

 

I guess not.

 

Anyways... getting back on topic.
Do any of you think the next film will release again during the holiday season?
Or will it be released as a summer action movie like Michaels first five films were?
Maybe it might even be released during Halloween etc.

I know it’s too early to tell but any speculation on when it would release? Personally I think they might go for the same approach as Bumblebee and release it sometime in Decemeber. Though there’s a huge issue. We know it won’t release in 2020 and that 2021 or 2022 is definitely the most likely year of release of the next film. Though if it releases in December in 2021 it has to go up against Avatar 2 which is scheduled to release on December 17th 2021. The next film would have to go up against that if it releases during that month in 2021. In 2022 a new Star Wars film will release in December as well. Maybe the next film might go back to the more traditional release date of releasing in the summer. Though maybe they might not be finished of the film by then during 2021 or 2022 and they have to release it around Thanksgiving or Halloween. Predictions or thoughts on the month of release?

 

Summer 2022. But it depends if there will be strong competition or not. However, if the next movie is a mainline Transformers movie no doubt they will release it in the summer imo. But if it’s BumbleBee 2, probably around the same time as BB.

If the next few are big hits, I think they'll completely abandon Bay. If they're flops, I could see them bringing Bay back to do another. Why? BECAUSE ITS WORKED BEFORE. Yes, TLK was a failure but that doesn’t ultimately mean they won’t give him another chance. After all, LITERALLY EVERY OTHER MOVIE was hugely profitable. They may be willing to give him another chance, you’re acting as if his reputation as a director is a fully tarnished even though he has a lot of fans, despite the hate he gets. Especially if nostalgia started forming around his movies. But even if that happened, I think the days of Bay getting full creative freedom are gone. He'd probably be required to make the movie a certain way, to avoid another TLK situation. I think it would also depend on how Bay's future (non-TF) movies fare. If those start flopping, he'll probably fizzle out of the mainstream pretty fast, and in this case, he wouldn’t direct another TF movie. But what you need to know is that not many directors can actually direct a movie as big as Transformers. Valid points? Your main point is based on an assumption that Bay will retire in 10 years. Your points don’t outweigh squat. You also tried coming at me for the Chinese donation and was so so confident that it wasn’t true only for that other guy to prove you wrong.

 

I thought we were done discussing this because it was off topic and we have to refrain from an off topic discussion.

(Forgot to mention)

I didn’t say he would retire I said he might because of his age in ten years time. I didn’t “come at you” about the Chinese donation thing. I just wanted to know where your source came from. That’s all. I was mainly confused along with another user.

 

Probably not for a while. It is unfortunate since Bumblebee was such a massive leap in the right direction, but it is understandable. Before it came out, the future of the Transformers films in general was uncertain, with the combination of franchise fatigue and the negative reaction to The Last Knight that effectively killed the Transformers Cinematic Universe on arrival. Bumblebee had to be retooled to seem like a reboot as a last-ditch attempt to renew interest from audiences, and it seems to have worked. Now they need to plan where to go with a new Transformers universe that was hastily slapped together and retconned into existence and somehow, despite all odds, managed to regain some good will towards a franchise that was on its last legs. The formerly safe and reliable Michael Bay formula clearly isn't working anymore, and after ten years of doing the same thing, figuring out how to innovate in a new storytelling universe probably won't be easy for them. I do appreciate them taking time to figure things out, though, and ideally, they're doing their best to work out the best way to appease fans and general audiences alike.

 

Do you think we could get any news at SDCC this year for any upcoming films?

 

I doubt it

 

Honestly I think that if SDCC doesn't have movie news, the movie forum should be closed. There really isn't much discussion going on that a single thread in general wouldn't be able to handle these days.

 

lol there's only so many times you can have the same discussion and pretend it isn't going in circles.