MARVEL Reveals Discounts as ABSOLUTE CARNAGE #1 Aims for 8+ Million Copies

The publisher is offering up to 15% off Absolute Carnage #1 and #2 if they meet or exceed certain thresholds tied to Venom #16. For #1, ordering 275% (or more) of that Venom issue will get you 15% off. If your orders are 225% of Venom #16, it's 10% off; for 175% orders, it's 5% off.

For Absolute Carnage #2, there's a 250% order threshold tied to Venom #16 for 15% off. The 10% discount is availble for orders double that of the Venom issue, or 5% for orders 150% of that issue.

The deadline for initial retailer orders of Absolute Carnage #1 is July 15, with a scheduled August 7 release date.

Absolute Carnage is not the event that I'd expect Marvel to 'sell' 8 million + units. Carnage isn't popular enough to convince this many readers or comic book stores to buy this much in total (unless I'm under estimating his popularity). It's only momentum is that it's Marvel's summer event.

Also, the market in the 90's is not the same as it is today. I wonder if Marvel will actually be able to pull this stunt off...

 

Cebulski is delusional if he thinks he's going to make a Carnage comic the top-selling Marvel comic of all-time. And if he later claims they did, I'm going to call bullshit on that. Some kind of shenanigans with the numbers.

Claremont and Lee were the #1 writer and #1 artist in the entire industry in 1991. Bar none. Everybody knew them, everybody loved and couldn't get enough of them. I'm sorry, but Coates is a mid-range jobber. And Stegman? I'VE NEVER HEARD OF HIM. And these two want to compare themselves to Claremont and Lee. That doesn't even pass the laugh test. Neither of them are anywhere near the top of anything.


On a side note, another reminder of what a joke Newsarama is now. They originally titled the article "American Carnage" which is a DC series, and even now, they incorrectly list Claremont & Lee's X-Men #1 as having come out in 1993. Which would have been a year after Image Comics was founded. CBR has gotten bad, but Newsarama takes it to a whole other level of incompetence.

 

Well, I can definitely understand that.

May work better for DC because of the constantly shifting nature of the continuity, the more fictional universe, etc.

But Marvel doesn’t really have that, making for problems that don’t really get addressed.

 

I have some hope that the MCU might fix this. With Evans and Downey out, the mainstream viewer is going to soon have the idea that Cap and Iron Man can be other people besides Steve Rogers and Tony Stark. That may open up the idea that a silver age torch passing is appropriate in the comics.

Or not. Who knows.

 

Considering how much Peter has grown up over the decades, I'm goiing to disagree with this.

 

Well, characters do seem to age, just much more slowly.

Just look at X-23. At her introduction, she was like what in her mid teens? Now she’s like in her early/mid twenties.

 

Some characters age, but there's no consistency across the board. The older Power Pack kids are now in their late teens, but any time Artie and Leech from X-Factor show up they're still little kids. There's also the fact that Marvel insists that their characters can't be too old, which is why most of the original X-Men are still officially in their late 20s.

 

I think the torch passing is gonna bomb. Worst thing to come out of the MCU has been this idea that the characters are now the actors.

 

You're going to disagree with a memo Stan Lee has confirmed sending? Okay, I guess. Looks like the illusion of change worked on you. Peter went to college, dropped out, went back to college, dropped out again, got married (Stan breaking his own rule, forcing the rest of Marvel to deal with it), Aunt May died, wait, no, that wasn't her after all (even though it was), May got de-aged, Peter became a teacher (despite not finishing school or getting a teaching credential), the marriage got undone, Peter got de-aged, stopped being a teacher and went back to his teenage job of Bugle photographer, and you want to say he's grown up? You could pretty much skip every issue of Amazing since the mid-1970s until the most recent issue and kind of still be fine.

 

I don't know this memo you are referring to. This is the first I have heard of it.

Anyway, Peter went from high school to college to being a teacher to establishing his own corporation. I'd say he has done a lot. He's also in his mid 30s in the current comics.

Oh, and you can't skip the stuff from the 80s because Hobgoblin became his most important nemesis.

 

Counterpoint: one of the worst things to come out of the comics being used as IP machines is that the comics can’t meaningfully change as they want to match the movies.

For example: BuckyCap, FalconCap, JaneThor, Ironheart, etc were all effectively doomed as you knew Rogers, Stark, and Thor would have movies coming up.

If we could get a real torch passed thanks to the movies giving a pressure to change, that’d be great.

 

Sooooo... Whole lot of walls going to be insulated with absolute carnage #1 in the near future? Whole lotta birds going to be reading it on the bottom of their cages? Whole lotta fish, straight from the fryer, served on the industry record setting pages of absolute carnage #1?

 

It’s funny, I recall having boxes and boxes of some of those number ones or big issues in the back room in the 90’s. We’d sit on them for years restocking the long boxes with them and believe it or not, they all sold eventually. It was a weird time.

 

If you ask Marvel, they will tell you absolutely that Peter has never passed the 30 year mark. And yeah, he's done a lot, but it all eventually gets undone, so it means nothing. He was a CEO! That's amazing, but guess what? Now he's not!! And it might as well never have happened. Ever since mid-Conway in the 1970s, Peter has been a nebulous 20-something, and that is never going to change within the main continuity books.

Hell, at the time of Heroes Return, Marvel flat-out stated in their advertising campaign that Steve Rogers was still in his early-20s. And Cap has to be older than Peter. It doesn't work the other way around.

 

So Amazing Spider-Man #24 supposedly reveals who the mysterious villain is. To anyone who reads the comic, Who is it?

 

His name is revealed:

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He also might have made Peter have a nightmare, where he (Kindred) kills Mysterio...or he actually killed him (although they both appear on the cover of the next issue).

 

Doesn’t seem to be anyone familiar. Looked up the name and all I got was something Image related.

 

Then it seems we've got ourselves a new Spider-Man villian, one who seems obsessed with bring him down.

Of course, it's possible he could be an established character, but we don't know who it is yet.

Also, the man really likes his deadly insects.

 

The latest Avengers issue focuses on She-Hulk and her current state.

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And it looks like she’s staying this way for a good while, the duration of this comic at the least. Though it seems her old personality(s) are trying to reconstitute themselves with Jennifer regularly having to under go sessions to keep them in line.

Daredevil gives hints at all the wars to come; The Hell Race, the Drawing of the Heralds, the Sea Trials, the Fury of Khonshu, the Red Rise of America’s Mightiest Heroes, and lastly the War Beyond Whens. And it seems the Celestial’s purposefully made her this way for the coming conflicts.

She also sites how she no longer has to deal with the sexual harassment that came with her old fun loving self. And with her cousin off being an Immortal horror show, she’s going to have to fill his role as Hulk. And that’s fine by her.

So, sorry She-Hulk fans, but looks like you’re still going to have to wait.

As for War of the Realms.

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Thor gathers his older and younger self from across time, in addition to Jane(who has become Thor once more with a briefly reborn Ultimate Mjolnir), and takes the fight to Malekith. The fight culminates with the return of Mjolnir having been reforged in the fires of the World’s tree. Thor declares himself not the God of Thunder, but the God of the Unworthy. And with it he beats Malekith into submission, and the elf ultimately gets torn apart by his own war animals.

Loki cuts his way out of his fathers stomach using Heimdell’s sword(cleverly passed to him by Daredevil), killing Laufey.

And at the end of the issue, Odin declares Thor All-Father.

Overall, a good solid finale for a good solid event.

Oh,

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and Thor loses his eye too. It’s gets burned out of his skull when he pinned himself to the World’s tree.

 

Couldn’t disagree more on War of the Realms. Yet another Thor event that was blown out of proportion like Fear Itself, yet Fear at least had decent art.