Them showing up in the movie was the same thing as TFTM: Just shove every existing character model into battle scenes, regardless of it causing continuity problems. There's a fair amount in season 2 which is as dark and as serious as anything else Sunbow put their name to in 1986. I think it's because most people's memories of the season are Arise, Serpentor, Arise. Ron Friedman wrote the teleplays for that one late in the run (only 9 scripts left after it was over) and frankly, his way of writing had become old hat compared to what everyone else was doing on all the shows that year. That's the modern edit. Before that, we have a close shot of his fake daughter aiming a bazooka at him: Shipwreck: "Why? I thought you loved me..." Althea: "Daddy, you're a real drip!" At which point Polly flies in and knocks her over, sending the shot into the roof (a laser blast instead of a bazooka round). Polly then uses the device that melts Synthoids. Then practically has to attack Shipwreck to snap him out of shock and get him to flee the burning house before he dies in it. You can find the original on youtube, but Hasbro has basically designated that scene the animation equivalent of an unperson.
That episode still gives me nightmares to this day. Along with Prowl's death, definitely top five of haunting childhood images.
This is basically always in the back of my mind when discussing the IDW's next Joe reboot. I just struggle to see them actually doing something good with the setting and characters, the setting just sounds like the premises for Renegades.
I thought they already did a 2.0 with Larry Hama doing a second sequel series to the original comics?
2.0 means in terms of IDW's shitty self-created continuity. Hama's comic is Real American Hero. That is its own thing, completely unrelated to the IDW Joe trainwreck. Although I don't know where they get the number 2.0 from. IDW has already restarted/completely changed direction/abandoned their current premise multiple times. Each one stupider and more misjudged than the last.
2.0 is a new continuity. complete reboot. the old restarts tried to maintain continuity, just like all of the soft reboots in idw transformers 1.0
That was the Springfield episode referenced above. Those two were definitely the most disturbing to me as a kid. Transformers is great and all, but the best '80s cartoon hands down was GI Joe.
Here here. I'd add, IDW has lost millions of dollars, but the more valuable resource they've squandered is good will. They're out of chances with me.
I liked Transformers as a cartoon more. Because I thought the TF cartoon was better than the dry, lifeless (US) TF comic. But with GI Joe, the Hama comic was ten billion zillion trillion zillion billion times better than the cartoon ever got. And I do love the GI Joe cartoon, but there's no comparison. Yeah, great. A complete reboot with infinitely lesser talents than they began with the first time around. Doesn't fill me with optimism. If you're going to have a writer other than Hama showrun a new GI Joe comics continuity, Dixon was probably about the best choice in existence. But if you can't even get him this time, just forget about it.
I love the Joe comics, at least until the late '80s, but it's a bit of an apples and oranges comparison for me. Totally different approach, appropriately so for different mediums and audiences. But of course, for most adults the comic will blow the cartoon away. Hama's character development, and nuanced understanding of the way the military functions set that comic apart. Too bad Mike Zeck couldn't have drawn full comics.
you know, I was prepared to really hate this new direction because I didn't care for the animated Renegades series and having Cobra in charge of everything with the Joes a 'terrorist' group fighting against them... the crisp art has made me enjoy it much more than I thought I would...but I do think, at heart, the JOE concept works better if Cobra is more of a secret adversary... not sure how well this is selling, and the last reboot got yanked pretty fast...making the franchise more 'realistic' generally hasn't seemed to work outside of what Hama does in ARAH...the franchise always seemed a bit more sci-fi (especially the cartoon)...
For me, I do not like the art. Everything is wonky. Page layout, panel composition, perspective, the simplistic non-textured backgrounds, awkward figures, everything is for shit. I'm not crazy about the coloring book thick containment lines around everything, although that's just a style thing and I can see others liking it more than I do. Certainly it's not the worst art IDW Joe has had by any means. But with as bad as a lot of the IDW art has been, that means almost nothing.
I really enjoy the non-traditional takes on GI Joe. I don't need anymore realistic Joe stories because the mid-80s Hama comics satisfied that part of me. I've really enjoyed all of the recent reboots with Renegades being my favorite this far. That said, I really enjoyed the first few issues of this comic. I like seeing the team out of their comfort zone and forced to be an underground resistance group. I'm really digging the set up, writing, art, and characters.
I've never been a fan of Major Bludd, but this book has changed that. I'm really loving this take on the Joe mythology.
I read the first issue...that was enough for me after page 6 when they offed Duke in the first issue and didn't even wait until the end...yep...all I needed to read especially with the "new" character they were making to be the lead. Yeah IDW can have that crap.
