X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2018)

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  1. deathzero23

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    Finally saw this last night.
    I was hesitant to watch it at first last week because of the negativity and backlash it received.
    But after some thinking, I forgot I'm an X-Men fan from day one.(comics and movies). So I decided to watch it bomb or not since it will get removed out from our cinemas this week's time. Last theatrical run I'd say. And to see why the negativity? Heck the cinema didn't got full seats. IDK.. Maybe coz it's the 2nd week or due to the negative backlash.

    Overall it was better than X3 Final Stand.
    BUT it was nowhere felt special like DOFP nor equate Apocalypse at least in terms of story telling and grand special effects. But it deserves to be better.

    I could say the article/claims of conspiracy theory posted pages back could be true. Maybe not all but some. Particularly the budget cut, film cut & "Disney" influence to reshoot some scenes. I did felt that some parts of the movie felt somewhat inserted (probably bad editing) & plain flat. And there are lines or dialogues that didn't need to be that way (like the "X-Women" dialogue). And the for the villains, it felt uninspired and was injected into the plot just to have a "plain villain" for X-Men to beat. I guess I was spoiled on "sympathetic villains" treatment done by MCU.

    Action scenes? Well it's okay and not disappointing at least. But it could've been extended a bit.
    I'm disappointed that
    Quicksilver didn't have his own moment like in previous installments
    . But Nightcrawler took that spotlight in return. This is the first time we see Nightcrawler went his beast mode on and you would've wished you have a power like his. At least this movie gave us a bad-ass Jean Grey and Nightcrawler and for me that was "token reward" for seeing this hated movie.

    The movie's cinematography seems like took a page from BvS in terms of atmospheric feel.
    I didn't expect they gave Charles such treatment different from what I know about the character since my childhood but it's fine with me considering the saying "Not everyone is born perfect" and "Every hero have a dark side".

    The movie's ending is kind of open-ended. So what's left there is for fans to discuss or for MCU to fix it.
    What a way to end a movie franchise. Not great. Not that bad. But it could've been better.

    I don't wanna jump in to the Captain Marvel debate again.
    But I see where's the said conspiracy theory is coming from.

    As per Kevin Feige, I refute his statement. His statement is just to promote Captain Marvel.
    A character that got rebooted her comics 5 to 7 times during it's run.

    If you ask me who's the strongest between the two.
    I'll pick Phoenix Jean Grey movie over Captain Marvel MCU, power set-wise.
    I'm not saying the conspiracy theory is 100% true BUT at least it has weight to it.

    Moral Lesson: a movie about Phoenix Saga can't be made in a single movie, earn millions and great reviews at the same. Phoenix Saga is an long epic story and it truly needs to show it in a 2-parter or trilogy of films.

    I'm still some people able to enjoy it regardless of the backlash.
    The guy seated next to me is very hooked and kinda sniffing in tears towards the end of the film's climatic moment. Good for him.
     
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  2. Starscream Gaga

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    No. It doesn't.
     
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    Sure it does. I don't have any insight into this particular situation, but I've heard enough firsthand stories from people I know in the entertainment industry to know that there are all kinds of pettiness and corporate politics and vindictiveness that go on in Hollywood to where someone in a position of power will tank someone else's project for any number of bullshit reasons, even when it's not in the legit interests of the studio or even in the long term interests of the person doing the tanking.

    There could be nothing at all to the conspiracy theory discussed here. But to dismiss the idea out of hand as if it's impossible and this kind of thing doesn't happen on a regular basis in Hollywood is naive beyond belief.
     
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  4. Rodimus Prime

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    Heck, look at Rothman, he literally attempted to pull this on the original X-Men movie.
     
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    You can’t sabotage another studios movie by telling them they need reshoots. Disney didn’t send the command down from on high to the Fox executives that didn’t work for them. Even with the looming specter of a buyout everybody did their very best to make and market the best movie they could. It was just a problem child
     
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    Famke >>>>>>>>>>>> Sophie
     
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  7. Ash from Carolina

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    I guess on the bright side after those box office returns it's not really a question any more if Marvel/Disney will just reboot X-Men when they get around to working the mutants into the MCU. Although I do worry that it might slow down the introduction of our favorite mutants since Disney might want a bit of time for people to forget about the Fox version of the X-Men.
     
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    Not necessarily; the gap between TASM 2 and CA:CW was only two years.
     
  9. Rusty24

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    That’s a bit different though. Spider-Man had a small role in Civil War, and he’s easy to introduce. With the X-Men, you completely have to change the status quo of the MCU since ordinary people are starting to randomly evolve into mutants. X-Men has always been about the effect on society that would cause. They have to strategically figure out when the right time to introduce them is. That depends heavily on how they handle the multiverse as well. F4 will be easy to introduce though
     
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    I can see that being a problem, however they could have it as e.g. a result of the snap / Infinity stones like Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, and retell the "origin of public awareness" story in modern times (much like awareness of the Inhumans in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.). It would even put a different spin on it, since societal attitudes are different now to how they were when the characters were first conceived.
     
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    The writing is going to have to be beyond mindblowingly fantastic for them to convincingly bring X-Men and their history into the existing world of the Avengers. I mean, way above & beyond "so... that snap opened a multiverse soooo here's all the X-Men now!" or "Prof X has been 'hiding' them this whole time" etc etc etc. Because obviously they can't just be a new thing that just happened given the extensive decades long histories/lives of so many of them.
     
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    Exactly! As much as I would love the X-Men to come home, doing so would cause a myriad of continuity problems and possible plot holes. IMO There is no way they can wright it that would make as much sense as the comic book stories do at this point. I do want the X-Men in the MCU, don't get me wrong, but I still dread how they would "easily" be implemented.
     
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    Saw it, enjoyed it, do not feel any of the vitriol towards people behind the scenes as others have. It was a thing, was it a terrible thing, nope, was it the best thing ever, not really. I'm just wondering how Deadpool 3 (which still seems to be happening) will make fun of the fact that the X-Men jumped universes some how and now the Avengers are running around.
     
  14. deathzero23

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    Is the spoiler embargo lifted on this thread already?
     
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    Saw it today. I was similarily disappointed in it, as I was with Age of Apocalypse. It was basically just the name of a great story, some similar themes from those stories and the characters were mostly nameslaps and did not act like they should at all. They really only nailed Deadpool and Wolverine and those were not in this.

    I mean MCU also does not give us carbon copies of their books, but I felt really bored at times and did not like the story presented and how the characters reacted.

    But my friend said, she found the movie cool.


    5/10
     
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    That's what I've also been thinking.
    X-Men were around all the time, mutants existed for thousands of years. But it was never known to the public. More as myths and in the modern day, the few times they were seen, they were just mistaken for some of the other guys that have powers/gadgets and were no mutants. But since these events they became more bold and did not hide as well as they used to and S.H.I.E.L.D. started investigating the probably existence of mutants.
    They can slowly seed that in the next movies as info dumps in between scenes were it fits best so that it doesn't feel random and hopefully NOT in 5 years but in 2 we'll get the real X-Men and hopefully they take the melody from the 90s cartoon. That's the only theme I accept as X-Men theme.

    I'm just sad we probably will never see a third try of the Phoenix Saga.

    Btw.: I was happy to see Halston Sage in this movie, it was just too short. Man, I miss Alara.
     
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  17. deathzero23

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    So Bryan Singer is the 1st choice to be the director. But went AWOL?
    I wonder why he went AWOL?

    Then they tapped Simon Kinberg.
    Now I wonder too why they chose Kinberg? Was there no one available to direct it?
    Or Fox going in cheap on this movie?
     
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    Legal troubles, or something in that vein, probably.
     
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    Singer’s career as a director may be over. Not only are there even more allegations about some seriously messed up stuff about him, he’s also on bad terms with Fox after disappearing for days at a time on the set of Bohemian Rhapsody. I don’t think anyone at Fox really sought out a director. I just assume Kinberg volunteered since he’s become a producer with a lot of pull in the business. Plus, he’s written half of the Fox Marvel films since Days of Future Past.
     
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    Fantastic Four seems pretty easy to work in because Captain Marvel used the excuse of hey the universe is very big place. Since the Fantastic Four have so many cosmic adventures it would not be that hard to say they have been off planet this whole time. Plus it's not the first time Marvel/Disney has had to sort of fudge the past since at one point they wanted to say there was Captain America then nothing until the modern age but then decided hey maybe hero stuff did happen in those years in between.
     
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