When will Lorenzo di Bonaventura be removed

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Salacious monk, Jun 15, 2019.

  1. Galvatross

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    I don't know. I haven't asked anyone, but where is the evidence that non-fan, general audience members care either way? That is all I say. Because I have seen ZERO evidence pointing toward either preference on the part of the general public.


    But you see, that's something we fans care so much about for Transformers, but I have seen very little, if any, evidence for that amongst the general public.

    The thing is, generally speaking the new concepts and characters in the later films weren't any less fleshed out than in the earlier films. The Seed and Transformium and Creators weren't any less fleshed out than the Allspark and Glasses and Solar Harvester. Take the Allspark, for example. Its origins are unknown; the Autobots only know it has the power to give life to machines. It's never even explained within the films themselves as to how it got lost to begin with. And we can see its effects on Earth's machines as well as Megatron's Spark...but we also see how Transformium works as a programmable metal, and we see how the Seeds get detonated and turn organic life into Transformium, and how the ships of the Creators harvested the Transformium. And at least the Creators have clues to their motivations; the Creators have more to their motivations in AoE than Quintessa does in The Last Knight. Plus, Lockdown tells Prime that he merely thought he was born, when he was really built.

    Meanwhile, we hear how the Solar Harvester harvests Energon by destroying stars, but we never actually see how the Solar Harvester worked in action besides the Fallen and Megatron "warming it up" so to speak. So if anything, I think Transformium and the Seeds, as well as the Allspark, have more to them as McGuffins or concepts than the Solar Harvester in RotF does.

    The thing is, that's the nature of the source material itself. Kudos to Budiansky and the others who came up with all of the characters and basic concepts, but if we're being honest the original cartoon was no different in terms of constantly adding new things. Every episode was a new plot by Megatron. Things often contradicted earlier episodes...sometimes in ways that were sometimes more glaring than anything in the Bay movies, like the origin of the Constructicons.

    Yes, and I am glad you can say that, because notice I also never said general audience members would definitely prefer the prequel, either. Rather, it's an unknown, and probably not a question for which there is a universal answer.

    Yes, balance, and I'd say the ideal Transformers film would be neither Bumblebee nor The Last Knight, but something balanced between the extremely simple, small scale Bumblebee film, and the world-ending insanity of The Last Knight, with its excessive number of characters and story points. Something more complex than the former but more focused than the latter. THAT would be ideal in my opinion, but maybe others have different ideas as to what an ideal Transformers movie would be.
     
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  2. BeeOtch217

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    I don't think Di Boneventura is to blame. If anything, Spielberg, of all people, did worse. Apparently, He's the one who hired Michael Bay (who was initially reluctant to do it!), even claiming Bay was "the perfect director for this kind of concept"; He supervised the screenplay of the first film and, no doubt, given his directing style, put more focus on the humans then Transformers; Allegedly, he initially didn't want the robots to speak English (or any earth language) AT ALL as he thought the Non-TF fan audience would think it's ridiculous; He even thought ROTF Devastator was "fucking awesome"; And HE was the one who fired Megan Fox from the third film; To top it off, considering his influence on the film series, I very surprised he didn't speak up about any of the poor decisions made to the franchise! If anything, I'm surprised he's still on board. And this is coming from someone who thinks he's the greatest filmmaker of all time!
     
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    All of that is very true!
     
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  4. Salacious monk

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    But Di Boneventura's other movies were also disasters such G. I. Joe... I seriously doubt Spielberg had as much influence as Di Boneventura did.
     
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    The first movie also is the best out of the 5 Bayformer films so if anything, you're giving more credence to Spielberg here.

    That's not even true. Spielberg has denied that claim.

    Why would he? It would be rude to disrespect a fellow director, especially assuming him and Bay are friends.
     
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    Could we blame Akiva Goldsman for last knight failure ?
     
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    No, TLK was a failure caused by a number of people not knowing what the hell to do. If anything, Goldsman really didnt do much given he was the head of the writers table...the sole purpose of which was ignored when Bay and Lorenzo just haphazardly combined unrelated ideas they liked into one bastardized script held together on lies of a cinematic universe.
     
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    Why does this need to be repeated, over and over again?

    Bay is ultimately at fault. Two different scripts were thrown together and made into one film. That one film made zero sense, had no continuity, and was ultimately garbage.
     
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    You will have a hard time finding a single hollywood writer that doesn't have a weird mix of "great movies and horrible utter shit" under their name. At the end of the day it really is the director's job to make the thing work thru well.

    Also we know for fact Bay is a loose cannon that barely follows scripts, we've had actual Hasbro staff telling fans at Botcon that alot of shit supposed to happen just... didn't happen, for no apparent reason.
     
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    No offense, but he's already caused more damage than cancer.
     
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    I think the only way to be rid of him is for Paramount to go belly up and no other studio to be stupid enough to hire him. Given how Paramount hasn't shown they are the new and improved Paramount or how lacking they are on big films compared to the other major studios it kind of seems questionable if Paramount can remain a major studio.
     
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    I definitely see Paramount downsizing in the continued wake of TLK's massive failure.
     
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    he gives paramount plenty of money to make their tf movies, while him being gone might create a positive response by fans idk if paramount wants to spend the the time to find another producer that can pay just as much of not more than lorenzo
     
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    How much money do you think Lorenzo is pumping into the franchise? Because it wasnt enough to overcome HuaHua Media taking their money and going home instead of funding Bumblebee.
     
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    Yeah, a HUGEEEEE ASS problem with the Bayverse is that they forget what happened previously, and they all feel like the exact same movie- some stupid relic- allspark, matrix, pillars, and whatever the fourth and fifth was. It’s so stupid. And, the last two: Humans hate Transformers.

    My argument is that it’s decline at the box office is because they’re basically the exact same movie every time- audiences obviously get tired of that and it can be attributed to the reason so many movies have shit themselves at the box office e.g. godzilla

    Didn’t Spielberg deny he sacked Fox? Also you’re right, it’s pretty clear he doesn’t give a fuck about the franchise. Could be the reason so many people who worked with him have publicly slated him eg Shia
     
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    Sure, he's already cause too many damage to the franchise with last knight.
     
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    surely enough to keep him around for over 10 years
     
  18. Aernaroth

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    Does he? Does he provide financing out of his own pocket, or does he knock on doors lining up sources to provide cash, or is he in more of a 'fixer' / project manager kind of role?
     
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    It was more than two scripts...

    it felt like FIVE.
     
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