Ok guys, I get the part about it’s not possible for Disney loving $$$ not to sabotage the film. However what about the time they “supposingly” stop promoting the X-men in the comics and toys. Was it just an urban myth? Oh thanks! I might still bring my kids to watch it. My older kid was watching some of the older X-men dvds and surprisingly found the shows “nice”. Next thing I know - he got my younger kid and nephews into the series too.
No it was true, sort of. Some people exaggerated how extensive it would be. But consider, when was the last time there was a TV show based on characters controlled by Fox? When was the last time they allowed the production of an action figure (or any kind of tie-in product) based on live action versions of characters they don't control?
Well, it's not just that Disney doesn't like money, but more of, they probably don't like taking huge losses for bombed films. Dark Phoenix lost to Secret Life Of Pets 2. The Marvel, X-Men 2 decade franchise, lost to a cartoon. They own Fox now. So, that makes it their loss. Not just Fox's loss. I bet they would have rather it made another Billion dollars. Wouldn't you rather make a billion, than lose money? I sure would would. After all, if they just didn't want a movie to out-shine Captain Marvel, all they'd have to do was not release it. They didn't have to release it. But, they did it anyways.
Oh yeah, I now recall Hasbro releasing very few mutants in the Marvel Legends until recently. I stopped reading comics on a regular basis years ago but buddies who still read them felt that the X-men were getting the shaft...however I can’t comment as I’m out of the loop. Yeah I get what you mean. Sometimes i suspect the truth lies somewhere in-between. Example, Disney loves $$$ but didn’t want Dark Phoenix to outshine it? Seems crazy but the world’s a crazy place these days.
Yea, it's one thing for them to want their film to outshine/out perform another company's movie. But, it's completely different if it is them wanting to sabotage the profit of another company's film. Especially when they are about to purchase that company like 3 months before it comes out. Spoiler After all, they do have to pay for all those remakes that they are obsessed with making, that bomb somehow.
Ok thanks for the insight and I appreciate your patience in explaining your thoughts on the situation. It’s heartening that there are still posters like you. I’ve encountered some posters who would second guess my queries and get snarky? Tbh I don’t normally come to the movie section unless to “learn” about certain spoilers (after watching a movie). That why I don’t participate in discussions until I watch a movie. Another reason for coming here is I need info. to make an informed decision (eg. should my kids watch a particular movie). For this movie, I’m kinda perplexed why this movie bombed. I mean the previous movies were decent...except maybe “Last Stand”...based on the Dark Phoenix storyline.
Did you forget that A Winkle In Time is also a remake? What about Race to Witch Mountain? Yea, their cartoon remakes are jiggling nostalgia in people's faces, of course they're going to make money! That's Disney's entire business model. But, Disney has been in the remake business a really long time. Along with the sequel/prequel business, as well. Hell, remember when they made a prequel to the 1939 Wizard of Oz? A film they don't even own?
Saw this today with my wife... we had some free time and a couple free tickets from when the theater screwed up playing Shazam. Anyways... all I'll say... I'm glad it was free as it's easily one of the worst of the Fox X films. Just, damn, what a horrible note for Fox's X films to go out on. I know it's not "popular" to bring up what with everyone and their mother looking forward to the inevitable launch of these characters into the MCU (myself included), but those first couple of films from the early 2000's were pretty damned good. Whatever happened to that? As far as a Dark Phoenix story this is better than what they attempted with X3, but still a pretty bad X-Men film and such a bland telling overall.
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DARK PHOENIX Director Simon Kinberg Breaks Silence On Dismal BO Performance: "That's On Me" "It clearly is a movie that didn't connect with audiences that didn't see it, and didn't connect enough with audiences that DID see it. So that's on me."
The movie was written, directed, and produced by him, so there’s really no one else for him to point fingers at. Still, I appreciate seeing someone man up and take responsibility for something. I wouldn’t put the blame entirely on him though given the circumstances of the Disney buyout and and the poor marketing.
I remember the first two films being pretty good, but haven’t watched either recently. Do they still hold up? I mean, I’m sure Dark Phoenix is bad, but I think the expectations for comic book movies have raised significantly in the last almost 20 years.
Dark Phoenix wasn't a great film, but it's not bad either. I saw it like two weeks ago, and I did think it was slightly better than the previous one. I thought the biggest problem is the lack of any real main character. Instead, we follow a bunch of main characters. Just like the previous film. Overall, I don't think any of the X-Men films are anything worse/better than the MCU, just a different take on superheroes. Which is why I liked them still coming from Fox. Because it was something different from the usual superhero stories we get from the MCU, or the DCU.
Aside from being Wolverine centric in what's supposed to be a team film, Cyclops being written like garbage (reduced to his lowest common denominators personality wise, hates Logan for no reason, and is Jean's bitchboy), and Storm's personality being kind of mousey instead of strong and assertive... the first two films still hold up okay and I'd put them on par with early MCU offerings. But, like you said, the bar has been raised in the last twenty years. At the very least you have to give them both props for doing what they did for comic films at the time. It showed something besides Batman and Superman could work on the bog screen (yes, I'm aware Blade came out before X-Men and was successful, but most people I knew back then didn't realize it was based on a comic and just thought it was a cool vampire film).
They aren’t great, but they’re not terrible. Most of the cast are great, the effects are still reasonably easy to watch.
