Are we basing Masterpieces off of animation errors, now?

 

If I wasn't sold already, you would have sold me on the battle claws 

 

Fair. Imma be optimistic but hear you out. I’m gonna get him no questions.

That could be cool. Hasbro should get back to redeco exclusives. I miss those so much.

 

This is sick. I wonder if Burning Convoy is gonna be a thing too with a Flash Lio as well. Also maybe we'll finally get a BWNEO minty Lio after all these years.

 

I hope you guys are happy with him. The arms still look ridiculous and still don't look animation accurate even when they are "there." They should be coming out of his elbow area or his upper arms, not his lower arms.

You can argue with me if you want, but it won't change how I think it looks bad. So, probably best just to ignore me on this issue.

 

I don't know too much about the original toy, but I assume they probably has some good reasons starting the arms farther down. He's probably going to be able to achieve a full bicep curl, if the leg came out of his elbow, it would mean it would point down when he use it. That and if its part of the elbow wouldnt that make it harder to swing around as claws? Higher up and I guess you wonder how effective swinging his arms around for his claws to work, as they could end up being to short of the arm to work as "claws". Looking at it like it is now, it looks like no matter the angle of his arm the leg will flow with it and still be able to extend more than enough for his claws.

 

It's transformation-related on the original toy, the robot arms go under the lion mane and form a part of it (hence why there's lion mane parts on the robot forearms), and so the lion legs end up in the proper position for beast mode.

But as you said having the lion legs and thus the claws on the lower robot arms helps a great deal with posing them once the claws are out, and it will be even better on the MP  

 

Hopefully, we can get a stock photo of him using him . I'm curious if he's going to be able to do anything with his mane.

 

I totally get this and I'm usually on this side of the 'argument' so its sort of odd to be on the 'other side' for a change. TT are incredibly myopic in their approach to show accuracy and it regularly infuriates me. I imagine it's a design team 'rule' that they are given source materials and are asked to replicated as closely as possible regardless of what might look better, there is little to no interpretation or artistic licence allowed. The result being this arm kibble, which is show accurate (some of the time) and does bother me a bit as I feel it might get in the way of a good pose...but i can live with it. Conversely I feel exactly like you do about this about MP-44's humorous backpack, it was rarely as big in the show, looks terrible and is unacceptable IMO.

As for the ankle tilts...I'm less sympathetic to that, but if it bothers you it bothers you...same as it bothers me that Hound's neck doesn't appear (as yet, there is some hope its an error) to attache to his torso, or that his butterfly joints involve his entire shoulder seemly disconnecting from his torso as well! Personally so long as MP-48's fit can sit flush to a surface in a wide stance wether it be by ankle or toe tilts I'm good.

Personally Im fine with both, which is quite the shocker for me as I'm usually the one being shouted down for daring to sprinkle a little negativity on everyones parade.

Heh...it's like reading one of my own posts elsewhere. Sorry this doesn't quite come up to scratch for you I know just how irritating that is, believe me  

 

yeah the lion arms/legs( whatever you call it) is supposed to be connected to his elbows but we also need to keep in mind that maybe that's the best that they can do to make the mold work in both modes and we got nothing to do about it. the prototype is there and it is done. no more changes will happen. now it is in our decisions if we'll buy it or not...anddd it's a yes for me   If it wont go higher than 15000 yen. haha!

 

Yesterday, inspired by the great work of @Darkstone, I did these gifs: nothing special, just funny  

 

No matter what happens, I never like to go after other collectors, though some have certainly gotten aggressive and made me want to. I just think everyone should be able to express their disappointments along with excitement as long as they don't go too overboard.

As for the ankle tilts, the placement of the toe rocker might be enough, but being able to do wide or semi-wide stances while having their feet planted has always been sort of a personal rule for me that a "collector" figure should have for a while now. Fortunately, most figures oblige. Lio might pull the look off but we will need to see some new poses.

Still though, even if I liked everything about him and wanted to get him, I am curious about the price being that I got Optimal for around $90 I think, and Lio is the same size.

 

Agreed, and I say that fully aware that I may have gone 'overboard' in the past  

Again I agree, I'm just fairly confident he will be able to plant his feet just fine. I'm also not one for 'extreme' poses or someone who demands 'superoir actuation', so long as I can get a good number of decent poses out of him I'll be happy. What's most important to me is thst he look awesome..and to me he's already ticking that box (ahem...in robot mode).

Yeah....Unfortunately all signs point to him being conciderably more expensive than Primal, prices have increase exponentially since 2016. I'd be shocked if he came in below $175....I mean he's gonna be more than Hound isn't he? It's a Convoy an TT WILL rinse us over that fact. I'm still predicting 24000 Yen....twice as much as Primal. I really hope I'm wrong though and I won't lie....if he does come out that expensive I may have to rethink buying him.

 

To be honest at this point I hope you're right - because I fear it could be worse. "Shouldn’t exceed 30000¥" sounds like they're covering their bases and prepare customers for the worst, but after their recent pricing endeavors 30000¥ isn't that unlikely anymore.

Best case scenario IMO is something between Hound’s 16000¥ and 22000¥, but my bank account is prepared just in case.

 

If he's 30000 Yen I'm going to have to seriously concider passing. No way is this worth almost as much as I paid for Megatron. No amount of accessories, lights or sounds can convince me of that.

Hound is 18000 Yen btw.

 

Same, and that's exactly what I'm afraid of. I don't want to pass on this figure but they could make me if the price is this ridiculous.

 

While I agree the are 'necessary' I do not agree that they are 100% accurate to the anime. As you images clearly show they appear to be oversized and incorrectly positioned on MP-48 in comparison to the anime. So I would sat it IS up for discussion. Firstly they appear to be connected at the elbow in the show, but on MP-48 they appear to be connected halfway down the forearm. Now it might be an error in transformation/alignment but as it is it looks like when swung forward the 'Lion Claws' will sit well in front of his hands...again not show accurate. Also in the show the beast legs look equal in girth to his forearms....not so on MP-48, the beast legs are much thicker. So there are valid criticism to be made concerning this kibble, its too big and its not in the right place. Now there can be all sorts of valid reasons for this but the it doesn't fix the issue.

I'm starting to hope they are removable, even replaceable with more accurate 'Lion Claw' accessories.