X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2018)

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  1. Starscream Gaga

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    That's an odd thing to complain about considering that it was the best thing to happen to the character but OK.
     
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    See this and liked it fine. Not sure what all the hates about. Good movie thumbs up.
     
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    It’s entertaining, sure, but I’d argue it is not really Thor of Marvel Comics.

    Who the next character they do that to just for the LOLZ? Cyclops?

    Murder Nightcrawler is problematic don’t you think?
     
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    Again, they did it too early. You have to build up to it for it to truly work. You need to establish Jean first; which they kinda did in Apocalypse but not enough. Then you have to have the regular Phoenix portion of the storyline, and then you do the end all-be all Dark Phoenix storyline. At this rate, I don’t think we’ll ever get a proper version of the story as a third attempt would just feel redundant when there’s so many great X-Men stories left to adapt.
     
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    I liked what they did with Mystique's character in the first two films, as it was a different take on a b-list villain. However, her story should have been done after DoFP.
     
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    If Mystique was killed in the 80's did the Original Trilogy just not happen?
     
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    More or less; since the first three movies (and The Wolverine) leads to Sentials taking over all that in DoFP.

    Just watched it; it was okay; still kinda digesting the movie but I didn't think it was bad as Origins or Last Stand. Probably should have made two parter with one having Jean being Phoenix and slowly enjoying her power, then part two where she becomes Dark Phoenix and all that.
     
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    The X-Men created an alternate/parallel reality a la Star Trek due to what they did in DOFP. Ergo, in the new films' universe everything since the early '70s has been "rebooted" and "retconned", if you will. Apocalypse ('80s) and Dark Pheonix ('90s) take place in this parallel universe. (First Class takes place in the 60s and is thus unaffected by the split and the OG X-Men films take place in the "not too distant future", while Logan [far future] and Deadpool 1 and 2 ['90s actually] are unspecified as to which reality they take place in.)

    Edit: The Wolverine is in the OG timeline; As is Origins.
     
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    Good, this is exactly the kind of reality check everyone needs when they don't know when to walk away from something while it still has some sense of self resepect. Fox, the prequel actors that clearly ONLY came back for the paychecks, this Kinberg clown... they all needed this to happen. Apocalypse certainly wouldn't have been a "high note", but they really should have capped it there the way they originally intended to.

    I'm just glad the OG actors weren't pulled down by this mess.
     
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    I heard Lawrence wanted Kinberg to direct or she wouldn't be in it, should have let those 2 asshats walk.
     
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    Even if you discount the warping of causality, the continuities still never made much sense due to the time gap. You've got teen Cyclops running around in the 70's, played by James Marsden in a movie ostensibly set in ~2000, who was born in 1973. Or in a more minor example, you've got teenaged Emma Frost in the 80's in Origins, but fully adult Emma in the 60's. It's all... pretty damned screwy.

    Very much running in comic-book time, these things are. To say nothing of each of the successive "reboot" movies set a decade after the last, with no significant aging of any of the players.
     
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    Thank god is the last film made by fox.
     
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    Congratulations Simon Kinberg. You made the second worst X-men film of all time!


    This film is like trying to eat ice cream while on novocaine. You cant feel anything!



    Pros:

    Acting from McAvoy/Fass even Turner was solid.

    Score was decent.

    The space shuttle rescue had good visuals end Train sequence had good fights esp Nightcrawler



    Cons:

    J Law phoning it in even worse than Apoc

    Chastains character is so underwritten and is so flat. IF youre a comics fan, the revelation of who she is a kind of wtf. Clearly, Kinberg was trying to superficially make a character that resembles Emma Frost and has Masterminds powers among others.

    A big event occurs at 45 minutes in and has NO EMOTION! I was like, “that happened” Lets buy groceries after" Even X3 did it better lol

    Quicksilver is barely used. He doesn’t have a sequence and a big opportunity to clearly define his relationship with you know who (which has been teased in the 2 previous films) is not done! What a waste!

    Storm makes ice cubes and generates lightning. If she did anything else noteworthy , I missed it.

    While Cyclops is not carelessly thrown away like in X3, he only makes 5% of an improvement over his X3 role.

    2 characters are against Jean after the pivotal moment yet easily change their minds with little reason.

    How some shots are framed /composed , edited are so bland. You can tell a novice director helmed this.

    This film had the worst mute henchmen of all the XCU. After one dies, Magnus screams one’s name, you know for the audience. Their action is lame. Riptide ,Deathstrike, and Azazel were mute but had cool action.



    Overall: 5/10
    Let the MCU heal you , my children
     
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    I'm actually surprised this is doing so poorly. I mean I'm sure it's garbage, like Apocalypse, but even that movie did better overall.
     
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    It did, but since most people that went to Apocalypse hated it AFTER already paying to see it, they obviously weren't going to run to its next sequel.

    It's exactly what happened with Transformers: The Last Knight and even Justice League. Yes, those movies sucked on their own, but so did the ones before them. Many, many, many people went to Age of Extinction and Batman v Superman, but found out AFTER paying to see them that they hated them and were obviously in no rush to see even more afterward.

    That seems to be a thing that Hollywood (and many internet peanut galleries) never seem to understand when it comes to sequels. If everyone and their dog hates Sequel X, you're pretty much fucked with Sequel Y because those people are NOT going to pay to find that out again. Apocalypse told Fox, Kinberg, the actors, etc. everything they needed to know well in advance, but they chose to ignore it and they got the result that 98% of the rest of the world seemingly knew they would.
     
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    Also getting a first time director to helm a big franchise is almost unheard of. I suspect Kinberg go to to do it because of his longtime producer and writer status than for any talent.

    Also, why choose something as grand as this for a final story? They could have chosen something lowkey, like a Morlock centric film.
    Kinberg's vanity that he could do justice to thie story with virtually no buildup is laughable. Maybe after 5-6 movies with a Jean actress, not the second.
     
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