No amount of reviews can deter me from seeing this tomorrow night, as an X-Men fan I'm curious enough still to see it and judge it for myself. Besides you can never get any worse then Origins Wolverine.
Well, I'm mildly bummed out, I've been a fan of these movies since the first one came out when I was five, and I was hoping they'd end at somewhat of a high note
Well I was referring to only the X-Men movies but yeah I'm glad I avoided that, heard that was a train wreck and I've avoided seeing it.
Heh, I remember thinking it ended with a whimper back when Apocalypse happened. Not only a total dumpster fire of a movie, but also supposed to be the last of the new cast trilogy. Then they didn't conclude squat in it, decided to keep beating the horse they just killed with Apocalypse, and announced this POS. And also this. It's been obvious ever since they announced it was going to be about Jean / Phoenix (again) that it was Grade A fucked, and all the trailers and endless delays/reshoots did was confirm it a hundredfold.
Never was a big fan of this seeming Hollywood mindset that noble, heroic characters are inherently boring & need to be reduced in stature, in this case, reducing Xavier to villainy. Like- vanity? Ego?? I guess I’m still stuck in the 90s. That was my Xavier & he was always doing his best to make the world a better place. Egocentric and vain are not how I would describe him.
Frankly, I think Origins is better than Apocalypse. At least you can have fun with how bad Origins is. Apocalypse is just flat out boring, so you can't have fun with boring at all. Jonah Hex is still the worst super hero movie ever though.
Yeah, vanity and ego as Xavier's core personality characteristics? I didn't see much of that at all in the movies past First Class. And the Patrick Stewart iteration was really the opposite of that. Both Charles and Magneto had a powerful ego in the sense of thinking that they deserve to be leaders of these major, world changing causes. But in the '70s scenes from DOFP he actually learns the damage caused when he abdicates his responsibilities. Same in the comics when he lives with Lilandra for awhile. So, he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't? Interesting idea to pursue, but not for that character. In the '60s comics, Xavier was a strong minded professor who always felt he was right. But that hasn't been the case in comics in the times that I was reading them, really (70s-90s). I was really afraid when Kinberg was announced as the unchecked creative force here, and now my fears are being realized, based on early feedback. For the longest time I thought X-Men would do better at Fox than Marvel Studios, despite a couple of past hiccups. Now, probably best just to move on. I'll still see this, but I'm in no big rush.
I remember the Brood storyline from when I was a kid. That would be cool to see. It is crazy that they have done Dark Phoenix (poorly) twice now while ignoring all of the other potential material out there.
Just saw it. Liked it better than Apocalypse. Sophie turner, while not great, did seem better in this one. Spoiler was getting a skrull vibe defo from the villains, to the point i originally thought they were. And never being named on screen outside subtitles means that could easily have been a quick fix because of Captain Marvel. Glad to see this version of Mysteque die. She should have stopped after DOFP. But they had to get her to drop a stupid feminist line first. Kurt was fine, though alan cummings was still so much better. Actually, the old cast in general was. Except for xavier and magneto, this felt like children trying to be the characters. I don't know, maybe they just weren't feeling it? The train bit at the end.... Watching it, the pacing seemed a little off in it's place in the overall movie. Magneto has a sudden and unexplained change of heart, and no movie, calling the character out on it does not absolve you of it. The end narration did make me smile, a it could be seen as a fourth wall break that the XMen will continue in the mcu. Also, this movie creates a MASSIVE continuity error with the end of Apocalypse. When Jean went full on to kill Apocalypse, she burst out the Pheonix fire. How did that happen if she didn't have the force go into her for another ten years? Not a total disaster, kept me mostly entertained at least, but this franchise needs to be put to bed two movies ago.
I loved the costumes in the ending scene of Apocalypse. Why didn't the fucking idiot Kinberg use that instead of some poor cosplayer suit in Phoenix.
It is deeply unfortunate things had to end this way, but well, here we are. Sympathies to the folks who have been big fans of this since the beginning, you definitely deserve better.
I have a hard time believing it's worst than Wolverine Origins. If it is........Y!KES. 8 Good-Great movies, 4 stinkers. I still appreciate Fox's run with the X-Men. Gave us some great stuff.
I just don't like Sophie Turner... at all.. Famke Jansson was close enough to Jean as it can get, but the First Class reboot had a third rate ending.
Well I liked Famke Jansson too, but personally I think Sophie Turner is fine. At least, I wouldn't say she is the major problem with these movies.
Too much Wolverine for seven movies and his overglorified cameo appearance that sidelines more compelling characters. I've always been a Cyclops fan, and I thought James Marsden was a good choice for him but it didn't help that the LEADER of the X-Men was relegated to being a background character for Hugh Jackman's Career. Granted I know Wolvie's not in this film to distract from the central plot beat, but the problem I have with Turner is her performances are always so.. flat. Whenever I watched GoT, she sounded the same in every situation and has permanent resting b**** face and no emotion. I just don't see Jean Grey, I see Sansa Stark dressing up for an "80s theme" party in the year 2019. This movie just feels like they're repeating the same mistake as the first film trilogy when they once again come back to one of the most pivotal X-men stories of all time, and they always seem to punt the idea rather than execute it properly. Call it "making due with a limited character roster" or the excuse that "aliens would be "Too much" for a series of films around mutants with godlike abilities".. The real problem is The Dark Phoenix Saga is just one of those stories that can't be done as a single movie, and to this date the 90's cartoon series was the only adaptation that did it best with some minor revisions for a TV-Y7 audience.
You would think they would have learned by now that the X men movies that have really worked are the more personal productions with smaller stakes. Their insistence on every big budget ensemble X men movie being an end of the world scenario really hurts the franchise, IMO.
I’d argue both X2 and DOFP (by far the two most successful adaptations) had high stakes high budgets. Does the Phoenix Raptor actually appear this time?
I'm not familiar with the source comics, but I've seen this kind of criticism of Last Stand and Dark Phoenix a couple of times - could it perhaps be served well as an overarching story in e.g. MCU Phase 5 (or later)? I've seen it suggested that the Avengers team-ups could be given a rest after Endgame; could they perhaps alternate between Avengers and X-Men team-ups (and have a mega team-up between them, and possibly the Fantastic Four) so that stories like this could be "the next Endgame"?
