All Encompassing Godzilla Thread

Discussion in 'Movies and Television' started by Blaster_Prime, Jul 7, 2011.

  1. SPLIT LIP

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    Interestingly enough, I've had thoughts along these lines before too. I definitely think critics aren't the best judges of what make big blockbuster movies good or bad. It also works the opposite way too. I'm still baffled that 91% of critics who saw Last Jedi liked it. That movie has huge fundamental problems, and I'm not just talking about technical nitpicks like "bombs falling in space". Since then, I've kind of stopped using "the critics" as a metric of whether a movie is good or bad. On one hand, it's critics' job to review movies, but on the other hand, I definitely feel like there's a huge disconnect between them and popcorn films.

    100% agreed here. I really wish the general audience would stop paying attention to stuff like Rotten Tomatoes scores. I too thought Pacific Rim: Uprising was awesome, it was actually one of my favorite movies of last year. It's a shame it flopped, and we won't get to see the continuation. What's weird is that most people don't seem to actually read critic reviews, they just check the RT score, which really doesn't tell you much.
     
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    Let's not go too totalitarian here. Critics can watch and like/dislike whatever they want, they're people just like you and me, and they care about cinema in its many forms and have a right to critique it in its many forms and have their own biased opinions. You don't have to agree with them or listen to them, but this is verging on dictating what they are/aren't allowed to say/think.

    Let's just all enjoy a good Godzilla beat 'em up and have fun with it. :D 
     
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    I'm just saying they shouldn't review a movie they know they're not going to like before they even see it. You can tell a lot of them aren't into Godzilla. If you're not into Godzilla why are you watching Godzilla? I love Transformers but I hate Bayverse Bumblebee so I didn't go see or review Bumblebee. I knew I hated everything about it just from the trailers so the last thing you would want is somebody like me dragging down the RT score unnecessarily. That would be a dick move, so I didn't review it anywhere. Sure I bitched about it but I didn't drag the score down in the mud like a lot of the Godzilla reviewers are doing. If you're not into Godzilla just skip it & go review something else.

    I just hope Japan likes it. I give up on Americans. Too much Godzilla, not enough Godzilla. WTF? Which is it? You can't have it both ways. Psychos!
     
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    Mothra theme.


    Ghidorah theme.


    Rodan theme.


    Godzilla theme.


    Epic music. This composer has done the Japanese songs justice!
     
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    Amen. This wasn't a movie for Film Critics, it's a movie made for Godzilla Fans, BY Godzilla fans.

    Every "review" I've seen has said the virtually the same things: weak humans, awesome monsters, boring humans, incredible action scenes, useless humans, and amazing special effects... and those who criticized Gareth Edwards' film are now clamoring that this movie doesn't do his style enough...and I'm sure those same critics loved all of those films that nobody saw and won awards in the US, and those other "Nominated" movies not everyone enjoyed either.

    If critics want a Godzilla movie with an underlying substantial message, they'll still complain. 1954 "it looks too muppety!" but still a resounding message about the damage of Nuclear Weapons. 1984, "he looks so dopey!" but it's still a cautionary commentary about the Cold War era and preventing an Economic collapse, Shin "...how can that be Godzilla? he's so horrifying!! what's with the action music during the talking scenes?" and yet, IT WON BEST PICTURE, BEST DIRECTOR, BEST VISUAL EFFECTS, ETC at the Japanese Academy Awards because it was the Political/Historal Satire of the failures of the government. I know people cried at Avengers Endgame because.. Spoilers... but the Japanese Audience were in tears over Shin because of how REAL that scale of devastation and the allegorical destruction was less than ten years ago, let alone the pains of the real Atomic Bomb in 45, to an audience in 1954.
     
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    What a shock, another Film Critics/Audience Divide:rolleyes: 
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    I'm going to see the movie! Can't wait!
     
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    Damn, audiences really seem to dig it.
     
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    Bear McCreary always does the best music. It felt like such a treat when Mothra's theme started playing! It seems like such an obvious thing to have in the movie and yet I wasn't expecting it and was happily surprised.

    People complaining about he critic scores are being silly. We can't gate-keep who reviews movies by saying it wasn't for non-monster movie fans and as such professional critics shouldn't review it. The movie is what it is, a monster mash with a thin excuse for a plot in order to get the monsters together to duke it out... that's obviously not going to appeal to everyone and critics have every right to call that out. I liked it because the awesome monster battles were enough for me to overlook the brain-dead plot but I totally understand those who don't see it as being enough.
     
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    I was just gonna post this.

    OH THANK GOD!!!!

    Critic score 43%. Loses faith in humanity.
    Audience score 90%. Faith restored!
     
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    So excited to see it this weekend....
     
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    Just got back from it, I thought it was great! People who were unhappy with Godzilla's lack of screentime in the first movie should definitely be satisfied here. There's a lot of monster action, and it's all very well-done and doesn't feel cut short. I loved the designs of all the monsters, with Mothra probably being my favorite of the new additions. The human characters weren't fantastic, but I found them more likable and memorable than the characters in the 2014 film. I definitely like KOTM better than the 2014 film. I'm still debating if I like it better than Kong or not. I think I prefer Kong's setting and visual style more. Kong was brightly lit and had a nice warm colors, I thought this suffered from being a bit too visually dark in some places (which is also a complaint I have about the 2014 film). I also liked Kong's wacky, "anything goes" style. But I think I prefer Godzilla to Kong, in terms of the creatures themselves.

    People talk about the MCU's achievement quite a bit (and rightfully so, they've done a fantastic job). But I think this monster universe has also done a great job, and deserves to be acknowledged. Whereas pretty much every other attempt at a "cinematic universe" has fallen through and died (including even Star Wars, frankly), this universe is actually doing it right. They're taking it slow, and interweaving ideas throughout their movies. I was actually surprised how much this tied into the 2014 film and Kong. And they're doing it was arguably a trickier subject-matter than superheroes or space adventures. About the only "rough edge" this universe needs to smooth out is is the human characters, I wish they were more memorable. If I walked away from these movies remembering the characters as much as I remember the Avengers, this could easily be one of my favorite movies series'. We need a whole cast of characters like Ken Watanabe, or that crazy stranded guy from Kong. Or even Millie Bobby Brown, she was memorable. Wacky and/or relatable characters filled with charm and personality. Still, they're making some progress in that area.

    And I definitely don't get the critics' low reviews. Weak human characters were really this movie's only flaw. Otherwise, it was technically very good. I didn't find the story convoluted or anything. It's weird that this gets bad reviews, but something like Last Jedi (yes, I know I mentioned it earlier) gets outstanding reviews, but that also had weak characters (I'd argue weaker) as well as a convoluted story. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it's suspicious how often Disney movies seem to often get good scores.

    Everyone go see this, so Godzilla vs. King King will get the budget it deserves.
     
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    Man I got exactly what I was expecting and I couldn't be happier. But man with so many references to King Kong & Skull Island I guess I better see Kong: Skull Island; I was going to anyway because Godzilla vs Kong next year but this just solidifies it.

    The human parts were the weakest but it was clear they knew a lot of people were seeing this for the Kaju and I'm glad they did them justice.
     
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    Godzilla was awesome. Weak beginning, but good middle and end.
     
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    This movie's better than the first. More screen time for Kaijus and the human story wasn't bad. Hope they don't fuck it up in the future. Watched two YouTube reviews and I think they misunderstood what the humans are for; exposition and meddling to make things worse(most of the time) rofl.

    I kinda wish they didn't kill Ken Watanabe and Mothra in the same movie. It seemed wasteful to power up Godzilla twice.
     
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    The movie is getting bashed by critics in Hungary too. 2 stars mostly out of 5, calling it a spectacle movie with zero plot, and bemoaning that while the 2014 was just boring, this one is simply terrible.
    Also many state that the movie has the same problems as the first Pacific Rim too, that while the kaiju fights would be spectacular, most of them take place at night, in the middle of a storm or rain and are hard to follow. Seeing the monster scenes in the trailers, I can believe that is true. Why are they doing that? Are they afraid the CGI would look unreal in daylight?
    The other big complaint is the dialogue, that it is ridiculous and takes itself too seriously, same as the 2014 movie.

    But Ghidorah was sealed away here too if you read the plot synopsis. He is only released later. Yet Godzilla apparently already knew where he was. And he is a far bigger threat than two creatures that don't want to harm humans, just want to eat radiation. I am still pissed about that - in a perfect world the first movie should have ended like Superman IV's beginning, worldwide nuclear disarmament as all countries give their nukes to the Mutos. Peace via kaiju! :D 

    And sorry, but it's exactly this attitude that stops Godzilla movies from being good. That they are just dumb monster movies and we don't need good plots... That's why I liked Kong Skull Island better, that's why I preferred the second Pacific Rim to the first, because they wrote an enjoyable story, well rounded with human characters you can relate to and like. Not just a monster spectacle. Because if I want to see that, I will play that video game where you can fight literally all monsters with Godzilla and each other and lay waste to cities... :D  But if you don't care about the characters, then the whole thing just gets booooring. I thought Pacific Rim was a snorefest because apart from Newt and Hermann I found all the main characters boring and never cared about what happens to them. The sequel changed that by making the characters actually interesting and less interchangeable. In Kong Skull Island, the story of a soldier left behind since WW2 was heartwrenching, and even the villain had solid motivations. In this one? Why is the wife even
    helping the terrorists? How can a smart scientist believe that Ghidorah devastating cities with lightning storms is gonna save the environment? Or how a bunch of radioactive giant monsters will help the ecosystem? I mean I doubt once they erased humanity off the map there would be much wildlife or plant life left...
    Pacific Rim: Uprising is a simple movie and it does not overcomplicate the story with such "deep messages" like this one tries to add about how we are destroying the environment and giant monsters are the cure. It's just aliens trying to invade and we trying to defeat them. Add a few twists about a mind-warped scientist and good characters and it was enjoyable. Here the movie tries to be too deep instead of embracing itself and trying to deliver some interesting characters to throw in the middle of the monster spectacle.
     
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