Avengers (4): Endgame - Movie Discussion

Discussion in 'Movies and Television' started by eagc7, Apr 22, 2018.

  1. Pravus Prime

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    No need to beat Force Awakens’ domestic record. We just gotta beat Avatar’s worldwide. Whatever it takes
     
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    What are the chances of Endgame beating Avatar globally?
    Endgame still playing here in my country it should help global ticket sales.
     
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    Given that they wanted this story to be a 2-parter - something I did not know going in the first one, same as with Matrix 2 - I see now why they had to chsnge Thanos' motivations. In the comics he always wanted what he would have done in this movie, wipe out everything. But then there is no-one to undo his snap. The writers thus chsnged his mitivations, likely not realizing how little sense it makes now. Also I still don't get why anyone would follow a nutcase like him, let alone a giant army.
     
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    Very good. We're in week 4 of what will probably be a 20+ week run and they need 160 million to do that, which most Marvel movies make in their last 16 weeks, give or take.
     
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    I never understood why anyone would fall under the thrall of Charles Manson. Or any of the doomsday cult shitheads that pop up now and then. And none of them have spaceships, or can reliably command advanced technology.
     
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    Other than The Black Order, I don’t think a lot of Thanos’s army is sentient. It’s also possible members of the Black Order were also indoctrinated when they were younger as Gamora and Nebula were.
     
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    A bit of randomness, but the
    Stark Gauntlet
    is pretty cool looking. I'm trying to plan ahead for Halloween. Does anyone know a good one that's not too expensive, is the red version and has decent dexterity? A quick look at Amazon doesn't seem to have what I am looking for.
     
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    You might just be looking a little too early, in a month or so I’m sure you’ll find the cosplayers making them
     
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    If Pepper was pregnant at the start of Infinity War, it means Tony could have undone the 5 year gap as part of his Snap, safe in the knowledge Pepper and his child would be fine.

    Instead, we're stuck with a weird 5 year gap just because of one little girl.
     
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    Tony wasn't going to risk Morgan's life. Not for no one or nothing.

    Besides, for all the bellyaching about why Tony didn't do this or that, I feel confident it would be ten times worse if he'd basically just puffed everything back to just pre-Infinity War.
     
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    I appreciate that they didn’t hit the reset button too... even though it really hurts to know for five years Tony had to live with remembering Peter’s last moments being crying and begging him to help him as he died a slow, painful death. Seeing that picture on the shelf of Peter smiling... geez.
     
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    There's no risk. The Universe resets to pre-Infinity War, Pepper is pregnant and Thanos is gone.

    Going forward, we will always know that half of the Universe is 5 years older than the other half of the Universe. It's such a strange thing to leave yourself with as a story. And in all honesty, I don't see it getting raised again, meaning it's just swept under the carpet and they hope we kind of forget. So why even do it?
     
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    But pepper said she wasn't pregnant at the start of infinity war. And what about everyone else born in those five years? Do they not deserve to live?
     
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    To maintain a sense of danger. To ensure there are stakes. And for drama.
     
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    I have a couple counterpoints. Yes, the five year gap does create a lot of issues in when you consider the realistic minutiae. This is especially true for romantic relationships since there’s bound to be lots of situations like the end of Cast Away. Not to mention, it would be very weird for high school sweethearts if only one of them was snapped and then came back five years later at exactly the same age. Obviously, I don’t expect that to be explored and I definitely don’t want to see it. However, it’s meant to show that Thanos still had a huge impact on the universe going forward. Not to compare everything to Star Wars, but it’s the same reason Luke loses a hand. It raises the stakes and shows that the villains have affected the hero. Like I said before, I hope that Far From Home opens showing the effects of the five year gap like meeting a friend who is about to move away because he graduated college in the meantime or something.

    As for Tony’s “selfish” desires, I’m surprised it even needs to be brought up. Tony’s not the only one who started a family in that five years. There’s probably lots of other people that did; which means lots of babies were born into a post-Thanos world. It wouldn’t be right to undo their entire existence as well and rob them of the gift of life. Their plan really is the best case scenario for everyone. Half of the life in the universe gets to return and all the kids that were born after the snap get to survive. I’d much rather deal with the repercussions of a five year interval than to lose a family I built. That’s the difference between Thanos and the Avengers. Thanos will sacrifice the things he loves in order to achieve his ultimate goal. He is fully committed to his ideology. The Avengers will not sacrifice any life but their own for the good of everyone. That’s why Black Widow and Hawkeye fight over sacrificing themselves for the soul stone.
     
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    In the movie itself, I get the impression that the Avengers themselves had this very conversation just off-screen. When Hulk gets ready to do the snap and sighs out an "Everyone comes back..." as if to reaffirm a decision that had already been made. It wasn't a spurious, selfish decision, but one that had been weighed out based on the five years of experience the team had in the post-Snap world. It wasn't just Morgan Stark that led to that decision. It was all the counseling sessions that Steve oversaw, and rescue missions the other Avengers undertook, the new life the Asgardians had built, everything.

    Maybe in a different story, that would be a decision posited to the world's governments and such as well. But then you might also have to account for all the extra-terrestrial worlds that Carol and Rocket had been servicing in the meantime, and the countless others otherwise and just... yeah. That's a whole morass that this film didn't have the time to delve into if you want it to be wholly "realistic". There's no way a unified consensus would be met that the greater whole would be happy with, that could be done in a timely manner that wouldn't also open up the Avengers to attacks from other would-be intergalactic despots. Perhaps the Avengers considered this too, but realized that the endless politicking would result in still nothing being done.
     
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    You can’t un-snap the snap

    You can’t change your own past
     
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    Well, you undo it in the sense that you bring everyone back ala DragonBall wishes but it brings them to the present - the consequences of their five year absence remain.
     
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