Would you be ok if Cyberverse was retconned to be another continuity of G1 instead of its own thing?

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  1. Bass X0

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    like how Marvel, Sunbow, Dreamwave, Machina and IDW are all G1 but still their own distinct continuities.

    It wouldn’t change the show, but instead of Cyberverse being like G1 Optimus Prime, he actually is G1 Optimus Prime - just in a new show.
     
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    I've always been unclear on what makes something "G1 or "not G1". Why are the IDW comics considered an incarnation of G1, but Prime wasn't? Prime borrowed quotes and/or imagery from G1 practically every episode. Prime was literally supposed to be a modernized G1, just like IDW. Is it because the visual style of Prime wasn't G1 enough? If that's the case, why isn't the Bumblebee movie considered G1? Optimus in that movie resembles G1 more than Optimus in the newer IDW comics does.

    I consider "G1" the stuff that was around when the brand first started. The cartoon, the comics, the toys, etc. As soon as G2 hit, I consider G1 over. A lot of series' have been "G1 revivals" (probably the majority of media, actually), but I don't believe they can be considered true G1 media anymore. You can make a Star Trek show set during the original series (and even brand it as an "original series story"), but it wouldn't really be the original series. That's how I see modern "G1" media. If that makes sense.

    As far as Cyberverse goes, I don't really care where they lump it in. I'm fine with it being it's own thing, or another "G1 revival". I would take problem if they literally tried to say it exists in the same timeline as the G1 cartoon, but I don't think that's going to happen.
     
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    Eh, I'm not too fond of the whole "universal clusters" idea, so I wouldn't really be affected all too much.
     
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    not that bothered but I would like a proper new series with new characters is they make it a part of G1...again. I want them to make a entirely new series that can act as a new G1 for a new fans (if that makes sense) like Armada was for me.
     
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    That makes no sense... They aren't really distinct because if they were they wouldn't be G1.

    I'd prefer leaving him LIKE G1 Optimus Prime and not actually being the same character. There are far to many continuity problems with G1 as it is already without trying to shove another thing in there that contradicts it.

    Simple... one is actually part of the G1 continuity family while the other is a totally separate continuity entirely.

    Personally I have a problem with the whole Continuity Family concept. Mainly that stories in different forms of media which share a continuity family with each other don't actually connect in any meaningful way other than sharing character designs. But if sharing the same design makes them part of the same continuity family then would IDW also be part of the Unicron Trilogy, RID2001, and Aligned?

    Also in regards to Aligned it's even worse since those things don't even share the same designs between the different shows and video games that are all suppose to be connected.

    It seems like Hasbro has randomly decided what things are connected and what things aren't without actually giving any real thought into how continuity actually works. A lot of Transformers should be considered it's own thing, set in a totally different universe which may have similar events in the past to other stories but aren't actually part of that same universe because of differences that make no sense when you attempt to connect them.

    For example the Covenant of Primus tells a very similar story to Transformers Prime. Even both ending the same way with Optimus Prime sacrificing himself in the Well of the AllSpark… but the design of the characters around the well and Optimus himself are totally different concepts and even some of the characters were changed.

    There's also the weird idea that Megatron likes to change his appearance frequently in an attempt to explain away the continuity problems but actually ends up creating more problems... Mostly because Prime always shows him looking exactly the same... even in flash backs that take place during the War for Cybertron he still appears in his current Jet design rather than the Tank design he would of had at that time if they were the same universe. Statues of him in the games which always look like the WfC design even after Megatron is rebuilt in a new body in Fall of Cybertron but then in Prime all of the statues have suddenly changed to look like Prime Megatron as if he has always had that body.

    Arcee in Prime also comments that she doesn't really like the color pink... but in the games supposedly set in the same universe she had a much more G1 looking design that is mostly pink. And it's joked about in Prime that Arcee would never have worn that color scheme.

    We also have Grimlock and Sideswipe in RID2015 who have both met Bumblebee before but suddenly Grimlock is a Decepticon which he never was and Sideswipe is suddenly younger than Bumblebee when it was actually established to be the other way around previously.

    We shouldn't be creating more problems by cramming another universe that doesn't belong.
     
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    G1 refers to any property based directly on the original 1980s toyline. Marvel, Sunbow, Dreamwave and IDW all have comics and cartoons based on the toyline. Cyberverse is based on the 1980s toyline, called “evergreen” designs.

    Prime does its own thing. It may have a red and blue truck called Optimus Prime but it’s a completely different red and blue truck to G1 Optimus Prime.
     
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    Personally I think the idea of "continuity families" and "universal clusters" is entirely arbitrary. Literally makes no difference in the story being told and I'm not about to set my toys up in accordance to their "cluster". Cyberverse, in my opinion, is very clearly a new story based on the old story. What does it matter if its clumped with G1 or not?
     
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    Officially... I kinda agree with you... Hasbro seems to just decide what properties are part of the same continuity on a whim.

    I think fans also kinda decide arbitrarily some times if they want to accept something as the same continuity or not. Like I don't get why Japanese G1 is considered separate from American G1 just because Headmasters have an entirely different origin but no one is saying that the Constructicons having three totally different origins needs to be three totally different continuities. I don't get why one is a continuity error while the other is a whole separate continuity all together.

    Anyway... I don't even group characters by series or anything. Mostly I just put all the Optimus Prime's and Megatron/Galvatrons on a shelf together. Also got PotP Rodimus Prime, RotF the Fallen even though he was never actually called Megatronus at that point, DotM Sentinel Prime, Primus, Unicron, and other characters who were specifically designed to combine with Optimus or Megatron/Galvatron up there. I call it my leader shelf.

    All my Bumblebees are standing on top of my TV... and I don't know where they would go if I ever got a flat screen cause that's literally the only space I have to put them is on top of the TV.

    I think WfC/FoC is the the only display I actually have of figures from the same thing displayed together... and even that's not exactly right since I have a WfC Optimus Prime standing right next to FoC Ultra Magnus. Never got FoC Optimus cause I already had a Cybertronian Optimus and I liked the mold better as Ultra Magnus... even though Magnus doesn't even actually look like that in the game. (Though it is possible to make a custom that looks like the toy since you just have to put Ultra Magnus' head on Optimus Prime's body and make the whole thing blue. It won't be exactly like the toy since the white and red of the toy can't be replicated in game. You will get some red just because the Tron lights are always red on Autobots but that doesn't match up perfectly with the red parts the toy has. The white is just impossible to do in game.)
     
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    If we could just retcon Wheeljacks porn tash, that would be a start.
     
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    I don't understand the difference. Aren't we supposed to assume that every story of a franchise is part of the franchise's multiverse anyway...?
     
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    Armada isn’t G1. Movieverse isn’t G1. Prime isn’t G1. Cyberverse looks like it should be G1 but isn’t officially.
     
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    The only series besides Sunbow G1 I see as being part of what's generally constituted as G1 are Beast Wars and Beast Machines.
    It's rather annoying that IDW gets lumped in with G1 because while I know it started off more G1-y, it gradually became its' own thing.
    The only thing I'd consider to be in a similar cluster to G1 would be Marvel G1.

    CV I think of being inherently not G1 because it has an Allspark.
     
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    You know you just contradicted yourself... The AllSpark was originally introduced during the Beast Wars. So why would the existence of an AllSpark make Cyberverse not G1 but Beast Wars still is G1?

    It doesn't really work for a lot of reasons but the existence of an AllSpark isn't one of them. The fact that the concept of the AllSpark as it was originally introduced in Beast Wars and how it appears in Cyberverse are very different things. Originally the Well of AllSparks was more of an after life for Transformers rather than an actual physical object which didn't become a thing till the 2007 movie and has since carried over into other continuities as being a physical object of some kind.
     
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    The very first episode of Cyberverse starts with a character never featured in G1, backstory taken directly from the Movies and the Prime-continuity novels and a Bumblebee referencing directly his movie and Aligned characterizations instead of his G1 character.

    The only "G1 thing" about it is the art style, and even then, new continuities homaging the classic art style of a brand is far from a rare thing within any franchise.
     
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    "Continuity families" were an invention by TFwiki which got canonized in FunPub's universal streams. The wiki also has rather questionable ways of classifying characters, like treating BB Blitzwing and Magnus Prime as new characters or 90% of Kre-o characters being representations of G1 (Primax) guys except when they're Kre-o-verse (Fornax) characters.
     
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    is there anything that actually would indicate bb blitzwing or magnus prime arent new characters? they literally share nothing in common with the g1 blitzwing or ultra magnus except name/part of a name and partial alt modes. bb blitzwing is a seeker not a triple changer and magnus prime is not a car carrier, nor does he look anything like ultra magnus, so why shouldnt they be considered new characters?
     
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    Exactly. G1 is an era, not a continuity. The sooner everyone can wrap their collective heads around that, the sooner we can stop comparing modern incarnations to prior ones and let the media stand on its own.
     
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    I was mistaken about BB Blitzwing (thought was another movie version they treated as a separate character) but Magnus Prime is literally Super/Robot Ginrai.
     
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    technically magnus prime is a new character, his titanmaster is ginrai. in american media the big body and head/titanmaster are two seperate characters
     
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    I like to think that Magnus Prime is Hasbro's official name for Godmaster Super Ginrai. It's basically official recognition that Powermaster Optimus Prime and "Magnus Prime" are two different characters by way of a Western naming scheme.
     
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