Falcon and Winter Soldier the Limited Series

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  1. theestampede

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    I’d like to see them both take up the Captain America mantle. I don’t have a problem with there being two Captain Americas

    It doesn’t make sense to leave Bucky as winter soldier, that title has too much baggage. And while his mind has healed, I feel like his story arc isn’t complete.

    Sam could be great as Captain America, but I really hope they give him some upgrades. Don’t know how he’d be expected to wield that shield right now since he’s just a human with a wingsuit.
     
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    I can't wait for this. I'm so stoked lol. I wonder if Chris Evans will appear as a you-know-what even though his contract is up. It's not entirely Impossible.
     
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    I always felt Winter Soldier was more of a fan name just for Identification purposes. In world, he doesn't go by that codename, unless it's part of some redemption arc thing.

    Eh, I fully expect Evans to return to Cap in a new movie once Disney opens up their Scrooge McDuck vault for him.
     
  4. Tekkaman Blade

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    Yeah Bucky's arm makes him better suited to use it and the various Cap movies gave some visual hints about him eventually getting it. They also show he has no issues handling it.
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    Marvel's top brass though seems to want to be more progressive now, (Which haven't done their comic sales any good as they keep pushing it over good story telling)

    But the previous movies have all hinted at Bucky being next as Cap (Also rumored why they had the actor's contract for so many extra movie appearances beyond just the 3 cap movies. Think it was for 9 or 10 films)
     
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    Haha! Yeah, that good old green stuff can do ALOT of talking and convincing.
     
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    It really should be Bucky as Cap and not Falcon. Maybe they take turns?
     
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    Look at Borne, Bond... That's just the BS lol.

    RDJ is done. I 100% belive that, but Disney left them an easy way to bring Chris back. People are gonna say, but the character and their actor cares so much!

    But nothing talks more than the green backs when it comes to movies.

    I really feel like the MCU is put too high on a pedestal in this regard.
     
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    Well we won’t know what the situation is regarding the mantle of Cap until we get our first plot details and footage.

    It’s a real wait and see with this one.
     
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    indeed
     
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    Why should it be Bucky instead of Sam? It makes no sense for MCU Bucky to take the mantle of what MCU cap is.
    Both have been Cap in the comics, like.
     
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    Like you said, both have been Cap. This really seems like a flip of the coin situation, so it makes just as much sense for Bucky to become Cap.

    I think it's more of "I've read Bucky Cap first, so Sam should come second" type of thing.

    There is no right answer here, just personal preference. Personally, I prefer Bucky as it continues that redemption arc, rather than Sam's I'm your best friend narrative.
     
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    I think they should both be Cap. Why not? No one man can carry they burden alone making them both “Cap” makes the most sense to me. Captain Americas.
     
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    Fair point. I just think Bucky hasn’t redeemed enough to the public eye to hold the mantel of Cap yet. Doesn’t even feel like Bucky would want it, like he’d take it if he had to but it’d be a burden he wouldn’t want.

    Like imagine with the accord shit going on still and Bucky is suddenly thrust into the role of a beacon of Hope, no one knows what’s happened, all it takes is a hydra loyalist to leak all the shit he’s done, mind control or not it’s not a great look.

    I’m sure it’ll be addressed at some point if they continue, and I do love Bucky in these movies, just feel like Sam is the natural fit right now etc
     
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    Actually that was another plot point in the Brubaker run. Bucky even gets put on trial. The Brubaker run with Bucky was simply better plotted and better written.
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    Falcon's run as Cap had human/animal hybrids and him turning into a new version of Capwolf
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    And they introduced a Latino Falcon
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    You can see why his run as Cap wasn't as popular as Bucky's
     
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    Well, they just have to avoid all the cooky stuff then. Which the MCU Cap has been avoiding this far.
     
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    Sam Cap had a great a costume, a great writer he did not have. Fine concept terrible execution. Captain America ALWAYS needs a grounded political drama type of Nick Fury political intrigue story. When they go too “superheroy” it falls apart. Cap needs to be a somewhat grounded character. Example, Winter Solider is still the best MCU movie to date.
     
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    The problem is there isn't much in his run to work with, there were all kinds of groan moments as this was the beginning of when they were more worried about being PC than writing a good story and the writers were always adding in shipping and other silly fan fic style ideas over a good over all plot
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    Right after his run was Hydra Cap, so you can see the level of writing we are talking about here.
     
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    Draw inspiration from other Cap comics maybe? Like him and Falcons team up books?
     
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    I don’t see anything wrong with a Latino Falcon. Bring it on.

    My only issue with Sam Cap is that there wasn’t really any buildup. Sam was a bit player in Infinity War and obviously wasn’t in Endgame until the end, and was still a supporting character in TWS and CW. He’s a fine character in his own right, I love him to death, but there wasn’t really any time to build up to him taking the shield.

    That said, I love the four man ensemble of Carol, T’Challa, Peter, and Sam as the leads of the MCU going forward. Just give me a New Avengers movie with them or something so we can see them work as a team and get their own iconic moments like the big three facing off with Thanos.
     
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    If they have a good story it's fine but if they try to force it like the comics did, it won't go over well with audiences.

    The Latino wasn't the issue as much as animal human hybrid mixed with Falcon's own Falcon redwing, who was also afflicted with vampirisim. Not to mention the costume wasn't great. As I said the run had a lot of writing problems.

    So Far the cap movie storylines have been based off of comics runs.
    Movie 1 mix of original Origin story, Brubakers revamp, and the Ultimates version of Cap.
    Movie 2. Brubaker's Winter Solider Storyline
    Movie 3 Brubaker's Winter Solider Storyline/Civil War.
    So if they're still following the Brubaker run the next step would be Bucky cap or the fight for the shield storyline that was before it.
     
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