Avengers (4): Endgame - Movie Discussion

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  1. Primeultra

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    Can you refresh my memory a bit?

    Who said it, when and accompanying dialogue if you have it?

    And Pruning doesn’t automatically mean the branch will no longer grow
     
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    Pretty sure Bruce said it when he was demonstrating returning the stone back to its proper place in the timeline.
     
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    Nope.

    Bruce was over-explaining what Cap needed to do before sending him to return the stones, and Cap popped off impatiently, like he'd heard it a thousand times already, "Right, got it. Prune all branches." Which left me with the impression Bruce had already used those words on him at least once.
     
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    Ah, right.
     
  5. Primeultra

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    OK thanks

    But that doesn’t necessarily preclude my interpretation of the conversation Between the ancient one in Bruce

    “Pruning a branch” is sometimes done to that clean up/stop sickness from spreading

    Dialog
    • The Ancient One: I'm sorry, I can't help you, Bruce. If I give up the time stone to help your reality, I'm dooming my own.

      Bruce : With all due respect, I'm not sure that science really supports that.

      TAO : The Infinity stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one stone and that flow splits. Now, this may benefit your reality but my new one, not so much. In this new branched reality, without our chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world will be over run. Millions will suffer. So, tell me Doctor, can your science prevent all that?

      Bruce : No, but we can erase it. Because once we are done with the stones, we can return each one to it's own time line at the moment it was taken. So, chronologically, in that reality, they never left.

      I’m not seeing them saying they are erasing the new realities, only erasing the possibilities that those new branches will become “sick”
     
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    When Bruce replaced the stone in The Ancient One's demo, the branch that was created faded away.

    That's what the later "pruning the branches" line was meant to refer to.
     
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    Yes, The black one

    That was intended to represent the “sick one” that would be the result of not having a stone

    The other colorful one way be you saw what the one she referred to as “her reality”

    Remember, she referred to her reality being different and separated from Bruce’s at least twice, the demo was representative of her reality

    That's what the later "pruning the branches" line was meant to refer to, cutting the sick one off from her reality, not Bruce’s
     
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    Yes, that was my understanding.

    Returning the stones to their respective realities had nothing to do with continuing to fix the events in the "Prime" universe. It was about being responsible, and not dooming other realities to uncertain and disastrous fates with their Stones absent. Otherwise, they'd be no better than Thanos, sacrificing other realities for their own selfish gains.
     
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    Interesting theory but...

    Actually that scene with old Steve contradicts the whole time platform anchor thing. That would suggest that the only way back to that same point he left is by going through the time platform. Old Steve showing up on that bench makes no sense as taking the long way around would mean ending up in a divergent future.

    The only ways old Steve could end up there is if:

    A. history changed which means Old Steve didn't exist on that bench until after Young Steve went back in time.

    B. The whole thing about time being self sustaining which would mean Old Steve was there the entire time but the other Avengers just couldn't see him until they caught up with the moment Young Steve left.
     
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    And that's entirely possible. All we know of the scene is that there was a guy on a bench by the lake that Bucky seemed to recognize.

    We don't know if he was always there or what, just that Bucky had a sudden look of realization about the scene. He very well could have always been there, and only after Steve disappeared did Bucky make the connection.
     
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    That was my take as well. She mentions the reality would "branch" if the stone is removed, and the branch is "pruned" if it's returned at the same precise moment.

    Also, the whole old Steve situation leaves a lot of hanging questions about the nature of time travel within the MCU. Was Steve always there? Was Steve both old Steve and young Steve when Peggy was married? Or was old Steve a figment of his own imagination until young Steve went to become old Steve?

    It's messy. Time travel is a tough one to wrap your head around.
     
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    Exactly
    Or

    C: Predestination Paradox
    Younger Steve was always ment to go back in time and eventually marry Peggy, and have kids

    Living out his life and when the time arrived, he took an Uber to the site of the platform and the events followed as we see them

    And based on what the writers recently said, this would be the simplest conclusion
     
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    Given that Peggy in Civil War was all hush-hush about the identity of her husband, most fans I think have taken that to mean that it was always Steve. So there would've been an old Steve out there this whole time, who made a point of not getting involved in any of the modern day events to not cause other continuity schisms.
     
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    Or, he may have gotten involved a bit here and there but as a civilian
     
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    What I meant was not getting involved with his "friends from work". I'm sure with his nature, he wouldn't hesitate to stop a mugging or something like that. But he retired from all the superhero stuff.

    Also, I think I flubbed. It was in Winter Soldier when he met with the older Peggy. Civil War was when she died, and didn't get an onscreen appearance.

    ... That actually means that Steve probably winds up mourning her death twice over in his lifetime, which kinda sucks. Although I'm sure he took it the second time around much easier.
     
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    Great "A Force" group shot... just a shame Scarlett couldn't be part of it...

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    God I love Gwenyth Paltrow as Rescue.
     
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    I grow to appreciate the scene more with each viewing, and I already liked it plenty the first time. This picture is amazing, though. But yeah, we just need ScarJo and Tessa (Who was digitally added later).