I just find the extreme polarization on this movie fascinating. I have had two friends first ask me if I'd seen Endgame yet, and without missing a beat to even hear the answer, outright tell me that if I did AND liked it, I'm an idiot because it's "the dumbest shit ever". Then I've had other friends want to do nothing but sit and talk about the overwhelming awesomeness of it. I can't even remember the last time I've seen opinions on a movie THAT divided. I personally fall in the middle. On one hand I completely see how it's a shitty copout wrap-up using the worst of the worst cruxes (time travel) to make it all happen, but on the other hand, when I look at it as the finale its intended to be alongside the fan service it provided, I also completely see what an amazing and emotional spectacle the whole thing is.
It’s divisive yet at the same time, it’s not.... But yeah, I’ve seen quite a few YouTube reviews pop up, saying how it was complete and total shit. Not that I agree, but I could see why... I just can’t bring myself to put this movie down. It’s too special for that.
I think that's our "hot take" social media culture at work. Nuanced conversation is dying, replaced with easily digestible blurbs that can be posted to blogs for maximum controversy and attention.
Agreed. I always think it’s interesting to see if the general consensus for popular media changes once enough time passes. I think this movie will still hold up well with fans 5+ years from now but we’ll see.
Nope, I saw that scene but it contradicts a previous scene between Hulk and Ant-man. Yes but... 1. They also explicitly state that you CAN'T change the past. 2. When they return to the future they arrive in the future of their original time line which should be impossible if they created a divergent timeline they would of traveled forward on that new time line they created not the original time they came from with no changes. In a time like that can't be changed the path would look something like this... 2014<------------------>2018<------------------>2023 Note the arrows going in both directions. This indicates that no matter what you do, no matter what direction you're going there is only this one line that you're traveling on. Divergent time lines GotG2014------------------>IW2018------------------>OEG2023 EG2014------------------>EG2018------------------>NEG2023 Once the OEG2023 Avengers (Original End Game Time Line) travel back to 2014 they would arrive in EG2014. They can't travel back to GotG2014. Once in this divergent time line they can only move forward on that line. This means when they travel back to 2023 they would now be in a New End Game time line where Thanos died four years before he could do the snap. So technically all the people that were snapped away would have been restored they second 2014 Thanos was killed. They can't go back to that original time line. It would still be there in a different universe but the two time lines aren't even touching there's no way to movie from one to the other. So how did they even get back to the same 2023 that they left if they created a divergent time line? The only way that would be possible is if they're traveling forwards and backwards on one line where nothing they do can ever actually changes anything. In which case Dr. Strange would still be able to use the Time Stone even if the Time Stone isn't there because he's already done it and nothing can change that. Just like Thanos still snapped away half the universe despite being killed four years before he did that. Also if we're dealing with divergent time lines than this is also wrong. No matter what they do there's still going to be an alternate time line where the stones aren't returned because that's how the multiverse works and that's what you're dealing with when you're talking about divergent time lines. There are likely also universes in which they failed to get the stones in the first place. It's impossible to close the time line once it's been created. Be we see no evidence of that because again... the Avengers some how get back to the same 2023 that they left not the 2023 of this new time line the Ancient One talks about which is where they should be. The only way they can end up in a future unchanged by anything they did is if every event still happens exactly like it was suppose to regardless of what was taken from those time periods. They already have Norse Gods, a talking racoon, a tree who can only say "I am Groot" and a living planet but you think the personification of death is too crazy for the MCU? Nothing is outside the realm of possibility at this point. It's not that far off from the main villain of Thor Ragnorok.
Not exactly The way I see it, and understood what she said.....That black line represented her timeline, her reality, but if it continued with out the time stone....or without any of the stone Without any of the stones her reality was doomed They also said it wouldn’t have affected their own timeline anyway
Agreed, but these are still comic book based movies and that's what comic book nerds do. Add time travel to plot and it's a perfect storm of nerdom. I started watching Chernobyl and it is eerily creepy how these discussions mirror those in the mini-series.
Your just not getting it Time travel/changes to history created alternate timelines Alternate.....not “Altered” but alternate You could argue it’s a fine line....but there’s still a line, still a difference Alternate, As in alternative: different ther: another: second They created different realities that are separated from the original That’s what they showed us, the creation of new realities Altered is , To make different, to change, to manipulate, to reshape That seems to be what you think should have happened but it isn’t They can not change their own histories, making changes in the past created alternate realities, or maybe they Preexisted which is possible (remind me of all the debate over JJ Trek)
Is that not what the time platform was for? To act as a temporal anchor point, to allow them all to return to their own original timeline and not get stuck in the divergent ones? We know they can jump through time and place without the platform (Tony and Steve going from 2012 New York to 1970 Army base show us they can jump without going through the platform first). Their time gps devices have the platform's temporal coordinates locked in, so they jump back to those and that's how they get out of the divergent timelines and back to their original.
Actually I think it was the GPS is that could bring them back to their own timeline I thought the platform was only for sending them all at one time
Maybe. They never actually explained that part. I just figured since the platform was in the original timeline, that acting as an 'anchor point' is what stopped them from going to 2023 of the divergent timelines.
That's exactly the way I saw it too. Without the time GPS you wouldn't be able to return to the MCU prime timeline. Also, explains how Capt made it back to sit on the bench and not show up on the platform. Capt living his life in the alt timeline with Peggy could still of had all the smart characters, like Hank Pym, Bruce, etc (maybe even Reed Richards!) that all could of helped him make the trip back to the MCU prime timeline too. We don't know what fun adventures and people he met in that timeline. I would really love to see a one shot or small movie of that life!
https://news.avclub.com/in-sad-news-stan-lee-never-got-to-see-endgame-1834822385 Stan Lee didn't get to see Endgame, because he preferred to watch the final cut at the premier.
Actually some of the writers have stated that Cap did not live with an alternate Peggy in an alternate time line They said that Cap was always the husband that the main timeline Peggy spoke of Which means it’s a predestination paradox
That is what I got after watching the film. I figured old Steve was always hiding in the shadows. The only big plot hole that came to my mind is would old Peggy with dementia in Winter Soldiers start telling him about their marriage. I guess Steve could just take it as her mind being shot and thinking of something that never happened. I also want to their his kids show up in some way in Falcon and the Winter Soldier show.
Watched two (great!) interviews with the writers on Youtube, as well as some with the directors. The writers are very careful to clarify that their vision on the timetravel (Cap lives in ‘out’ timeline) is their personal opinion, and that the Russos have a different opinion, and that in the end it all depends on which way Marvel wants to go with it in future movies. But yes, the intention of the writers was always that he was in this timeline, hence why the movies go out of their way to not show Peggy’s husband. Personally all the time ‘plot holes’ disappear when you accept that everything is a branched timeline - like the fact the movie tries to explain returning stones to where they were taken from ‘repairs’ the timeline and doesn’t create a branch - even though they also state you can’t alter something that has already happened, which they clearly do by killing Thanos and letting Loki escape - but there is definitely something poetic if Cap and Peggy were always ‘meant to be’ right here.
May I ask what made u think Peggy had dementia? She sounded perfectly within her facilities And you can’t have expected her to tell him, at that point in time, that in the future he was going to travel back to the past to marry her I no longer think the movie was actually saying that I feel that the conversation between Bruce and the The ancient one was saying that returning the stones from where/when they were taken prevented those branches from descending into chaos/destruction from not having the stones
