When is a murder not a murder? By his actions, Wally killed all of those people. I feel like at this point we're quibbling over a technicality. Is it murder or isn't it? I say it is by virtue of Wally's action after the fact. Also, lets not forget that he did murder his future self in cold blood without even flinching.

The solicitations are even stating it's murder. It's murder. Wally is a murderer.

Hypothetically speaking: If I get drunk and accidently hit someone with my car, am I not a murderer? Is that not the same situation with Wally? Again, I guess we can quibble over definitions. To me, there really is no difference between a killer and a murderer. We've just found ourselves in sophist land where people feel the need to be right so they'll use nonsense logic to justify their bad arguments.

And, ultimately, Wally killed himself. Forget everything else -- Wally killed a person.

Now, hopefully, the current situation with Manhattan can at least fix some of the horror show that is King's writing, but it won't take away from the fact that Wally hopped through time, killed himself, and then set up a murder scene. That's the act of a crazy person. I won't go into that, though.

 

My roommate isn’t a big Damian fan either......though lately he’s been less sociopathic......(Damian)

 

  Did you tack Damian's name at the end there to appease your sociopathic roommate?

Blink twice for "Yes" and once for "No."

~L~

 

Some interesting news that happened yesterday and today!

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/05/15/neal-adams-batman-vs-ras-al-ghul-dcs-year-of-the-villain/

A six issue mini series, beginning in August.



https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/0...rank-miller-john-romita-jr-superman-year-one/

The art looks promising.








https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/0...ice-league-grant-morrison-beyond-source-wall/

That Grant Morrison suggested to Scott that on the other side of the Source Wall was the Marvel Universe, and helped him write Justice League as a musical formation.

That Scott Snyder will be announcing a bunch of creator-owned projects this summer.

That the Justice League series is his big love letter opus to DC Comics and he may not have anything inside him left to do somthing this big again.

That we are to look for Hawkman in his Batman Who Laughsplans.

But also that February 2020 will see the teases Scott Snyder laid down in last year’s Justice League #1 about the end of the universe and Martian Manhunter’s role in that. And that his Justice League will culminate in the winter of 2020/2021.

The possibility for a crossover to happen? Interesting...

 

Just to follow up, I've been listening and enjoying. I decided to get the first Flash Silver Age omnibus as well, and I'll admit that it's better than I anticipated. I love that the book opens with Jay Garrick's last story from Flash Comics 104 before starting Barry's series. Makes me want that GA material collected into omnibuses.

 

Murder, by definition, requires intent or premeditation. You have to WANT to kill that other person for it to be murder. Which is why we have other crimes like manslaughter (unintentionally killing someone, or more specifically, killing a person without malicious forethought) and negligence causing death (taking or not taking action that results in a person's death, even if the accused did not consider that outcome). You can be a killer without being a murderer.

I havent read the comics, so just going by what I've seen people talk about, if wally lost control of the speed force and it killed a bunch of people, he would probably be a killer (manslaughter or negligence). If he killed his future self in cold blood (temporal hijinx aside, let's assume it's not suicide), that would be closer to murder.

Concealing the crime or whatever afterwards are separate crimes, and don't change the original crime to murder (unless what they conceal show the accused intended to kill the person they killed, I guess)

If you get drunk and kill someone with your car, that's vehicular manslaughter, not murder. If you get drunk, aim your car at someone you hate, and kill them with it, THAT'S murder. There are clear distinctions between what is and is not murder in the legal system.

 

I think that's fair if you ignore the fact that Wally killed... let's call it an alternate version of himself. That was murder.

Thank you for a reasonable response.

 

It's complicated because it's an alternate version of himself, so I'm not completely sure how that works... But setting that aside, if he intentionally and maliciously killed another person then yes, I agree, that's murder.

 

It wasn't an alternate version of himself. It was HIMSELF. It was suicide. Which is also not murder. Wally had some as yet unrevealed plan to fix something before he killed himself that would take 5 days. At the end of that 5 days, he planned to die. Which he did. The 5 days younger Wally then took his future dead body back to the present to leave with everyone else.

Suicide, not murder.

 

Art is way better than I expected it to be given I didn't like how Romita drew Superman in other stories.

Still put off of this due to Miller's previous writing of Superman.

 

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/05/16/warren-ellis-ramon-villalobos-wildstorm-comic-wildcats-1/

From the pages of THE WILD STORM, the piratical covert team are here to stop humanity from destroying itself. The black-ops team featuring Grifter, Savant, John Colt and Adrianna Tereshkova have discovered that the secret space program Skywatch has been performing medical experiments on abducted innocents for decades. And now one of those experiments is about to explode—revealing a new threat and level of danger that no one could have prepared for. The covert team may have thought the world was strange before, but they had no idea—and now the stakes might just be too high.

WILDCATS from Ellis and Villalobos will build on Ellis and Jon Davis-Hunt’s 24-issue series THE WILD STORM, which kicked off in 2016. The series will channel the same breakneck energy and imagination, creating a thrilling new story for fans of the WildStorm universe.

 

I've enjoyed it a lot more without Catwoman.

 

oh no.

Can we please make comics without shitting all over Kirby's concepts? It's shocking to me that Morrison would suggest such a thing.

The Wild Storm has been fantastic, so I look forward to this.

 

Are there one or two bodies? Wally killed a different version of himself.

If I traveled into the future and stabbed a body that is also me then it's still murder. I still took a person's life.

It's not a great example, but think of it in terms of the movie looper: Yes, it's the same guy, but it's one person shooting another person. That shooter is still up and walking around after the fact.

It's not the same as suicide.

 

DC's Year of the Villain Celebrates with Battle-Damaged Logo Covers

Some cool covers here. Spoiler-covered them just in case.

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A nice selection. I would add Superman's one as well (spoilers are here because you also get to see Luthor's new form as well:

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WILDC.A.T.S.! Finally! I got to be honest...Wildstorm moved too slow for me, so I guess I should temper my excitement.

 

Yes. Wildcats...finally.

Sucks that with The Wild Storm I kept confusing who's who sometimes.

 

For F's sake, read the dang book (or don't read the book, but I mean it couldn't be more clear in the comic). It's ONE Wally. He didn't hunt down a different version of himself. Wally, after finishing his 5 day plan, went to the spot he knew his 5-day younger self would come. They are the same person with the same agenda. It's more like the Bill & Ted version of time travel. Ted makes a plan to remember to come back to a spot later and put a key under a rock -- BING -- the key is already under the rock for him to use now. Wally wanted to die but had to finish something (as yet unknown) first. So he made a plan to, after finishing this mystery task, wait for himself 5 days later in a certain spot. Once he made that plan in his mind, he traveled 5 days into the future and sure enough-- BING -- the 5 days older Wally was waiting for himself there so he could end it all, just like he planned 5 days earlier.

It was the older Wally's intention to die there. Suicide.

 

DC Comics' August 2019 Solicitations - Year of the Villain Continues

Some more cool new covers.

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