Ned is still in high school when he reunited with Peter. He obviously got snapped. The same goes for MJ, Flash, Betty and whatever other kid from Homecoming is still in high school during Far From Home.
Primus, I hope not. I read a few of Captain Britain's comics, and man, whata giant cluttered mess. Celestial being, multiverses, a Captain Britain corps spanning galaxies and alternate universes (because I guess the UK is a multiversal constant?) and he has villains like Black Tom Cassidy who is a naked hobo with reality bending powers, and some Jeeves looking guy who is basically evil Q/Discord. It makes Alan Moore's Doom Patrol seem mundane, and unlike those comics which are tongue-in-cheek, from what I read Britain is all serious.
I teared up more over Alfred seeing Bruce and Selina being together and happy at the end of Dark Knight rises than this. I dunno but Robert Downey just seemed tired, and not because the character he played was. He felt tired being stuck in this role. Even in the scenes of being happy with his family. The only moment that touched me was when we see old Steve, I was genuinely happy for him and Peggy. But it was somewhat ruined by his old man makeup. I wish they just hired an older actor who looks a lot like Chris Evans.
There obviously is a time lapse from when Tony did the snap to FFH. I'm curious if it will be months or a year plus. A lot of logistics would need to be worked out now that all of these people are now back 5 years later. I wonder if they address it.
Have you ever been in a house that has been abandoned for 5 years? Generally speaking they are uninhabitable. At the least they would need major work. That's not how food production works. We aren't a hunter gatherer society. We grow enough food (via raising plants and animals) to meet the demand. Generally speaking we don't depend on wild populations for most food items (seafood excepted). Sure right after the snap there would have been a glut, but after 5 years that would have been used up and everything would have adjusted to the new normal.
That wasn't a morality question. Why are you explaining the difference between the motives of heroes and villains? That has nothing to do with the question. The question was why return the stones to the past if it doesn't effect the timeline. They claim that you can't change the past with time travel which would mean that even if you take the stones from the past that the stones will still be in the past. No need to return them because you can't change the past. They're already there. Nothing changes no matter what they do. So why would they need to return the stones to the past if the stones never actually left the past? There's nothing to return unless you can change the past. But if the past can be changed then why does nothing else have any effect on the future? I think that was only temporary because it wasn't meant to be a permanent change. And it didn't revert back to normal because the reality stone was no longer there, it reverted back to normal because Thanos wanted it to. Thanos was only trying to show what Titan use to look like and then let it revert back to how it looks normally. He was giving a history lesson explaining his motivations for why he wanted to wipe out half the universe. Nothing about that scene suggests that it couldn't be maintained without the other stones. That's a possibility but that doesn't mean they can't ever move into those houses... only that they might not be able to move it right away. You make it sound like the house is going to crumble into dust the second someone touches it or something. Generally you just need to clean the 5 years of dust build up... and if you left out any food when you vanished probably mold... Really the people who vanished right in the middle of eating and still have half a plate of food sitting out or garbage cans that needed to be emptied are going to be the worst off after five years. If their house was mostly clean before they vanished and maybe survivors came over after to clean out their belongings or whatever. Especially if it was a rented space, the land lord... assuming they survived... isn't going to want a "dead" person's stuff rotting in their apartment for five years. That's not entirely true. While most animals are raised on farms there are in fact also hunters. Most of the birds we eat with the exception of chicken are wild animals. Plus that really makes no difference if they're wild or farm raised as what I said still applies. Supply and demand isn't the only thing that matters. You also have to consider life span of the animal, how many can be produced at a time, and a number of other factors. So even if they aren't wild less demand still means the same thing, population rises quicker not slower. The only thing happening slower is the rare at which the animals are killed. They can't really change the rate at which the animals themselves reproduce without risking them going extinct entirely. Do we even know the natural life span of these animals if they live long enough to die of natural causes? If everything would of been used up then everyone would starve to death. You can't live five years without food. There's no adjusting to that. It would be stupid as hell for everyone to just eat everything right after the snap happened.
Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you (or who I was responding to, if was someone else) was saying because you can't change your past, then why bother taking the stones back at all. You can't change your past. But you do create an altered timeline. By not returning the stones into the past, you have timelines without the infinity stones. Which means the versions of the characters in those timelines don't have these things, such as the time stone to fight off dormammu. So the stones need to be returned so the alternate versions of the Avengers can use the stones in their own timelines. When the Avengers took the stones out of the past, it created an alternate timeline that didn't have the stones in them. I brought up the morality because by not returning the stones simply because it would not affect their own timeline would have screwed over the other versions of them, which is something a villain would do, not a hero. But I misunderstood the original point. I merged the two examples into one sentance. Titan shows that the reality stays as it is altered to when the reality stone is in use (it's glowing the entire time Thanos is showing the 'flashback', indicating it's perminantly on during that sequence) and when he left Knowhere, Drax and Mantis returned to normal. I thought this was because the reality stone left the area and it's influence was no longer in effect. Maybe Thanos did actively make the effort to return those two to normal after. But Quill had both his guns back on Titan, after Thanos turned one into bubbles, so that came back too, unless he has a stockpile of those blasters on his ship (which I wouldn't put past him).
That's just not true at all where are you coming up with this stuff? Which birds exactly are you talking about? I am in my mid 40's and have never eaten meat from a wild bird. They are all domesticated. And saying "except chicken" is a pretty big loophole considering chicken is by far the most common poultry.
Probably my major gripe in Endgame is Tony selfishly wanting to keep everything that happened the last 5 years, without thinking of the consequences/repercussions to everyone else. I wish we could address about the people that were killed due to effects of the snappening. For example a bus driver is snapped away and there is no driver and the bus drives off a cliff and everyone dies on it, or it crashes into multiple cars, killing other motorists and pedestrians. Same with airplanes, helicopters, trains, and other situations like a surgeon is operating on someone but vanishes leaving his patient to die without finishing the operation or a firefighter is rescuing people in a burning building but vanishes and is unable to guide those people to safety leaving them to die. Same is true for those that come back alive but realized everyone else is dead (like the person driving/piloting a vehicle is the one that vanished but all the passengers/family/friends died when that person disappeared), now they are wrecked with survivors guilt knowing everyone they know is dead and they were responsible for accidentally killing them. When you think about it, Thanos really didn't wipe out half of life. He did half by himself that's for sure, but like extra 30% (FYI making up a number, could be 5% or 60%) got killed in the process too.
1: They needed to return the stones to the past because the Ancient One stated that if they did not have the stones when the split of the timeline occurred creating the alternate realities everyone seems to think was being created then Dormamu could not be defeated by Doctor Strange once he became a Master of the Mystic Arts because the Time Stone would no longer be present within the Eye of Agamotto. It would have been taken from Main Timeline Point 2012 of the primary timeline of events known as the MCU and thus would be gone from Secondary Timeline Point whatever the fuck year Doctor Strange is meant to take place in. (I forget when it happened in-universe.) So the entire reason for returning the stones after using them was not to correct the Main Timeline of MCU, but Secondary Timeline What If? Doctor Strange didn't have the Time Stone... Or whatever you'd care to designate it. 2: Of course there would be a ton of resources left over. Half the population was snapped out of existence. This would mean a fair number of farmers were probably snapped out of existence. Their livestock however probably wasn't, or if it was it wouldn't really matter because birth rates are still going on as you pointed out. Considering what Thanos was aiming for I choose to believe however that no Non-Sentient life was snapped, which means to me that whole herds of livestock, Pigs, Sheep, Cows and such would be unattended by most, perhaps threatened by wild predators, but more than likely protected and allowed to breed to continue creating an overabundance of Resources. Thanos' goal was to wipe out half the sentient life in the galaxy so said resources would not become finite, which means that, barring a few packs of wolves and mountain lions roaming about unchecked a lot of livestock should still be around and breeding rampantly and perhaps even unchecked as most species did before we domesticated them to serve our needs. So basically I'm pointing out something obvious while also agreeing with you on this particular point. Farmers go snap, livestock remains and breeds perhaps to the point of almost being out of control. Although more realistically the predator population would probably work somewhat in keeping them at more manageable levels, so once farmers snap back they just have to round up their herds and figure out how to handle the overproduction of calves and things. 3: Disney is planning some stuff for Disney Plus, their streaming service, which is going to be pretty impressive. Although I really hate that Marvel Netflix and Television in general has pretty much ignored everything after the split with the Television side of the production company. Fiege could care less about them, but they are still meant to take place in the same universe, and I highly doubt we'll ever get to see their ramifications of what happened in Infinity War and Endgame. However, to keep that one point, Disney Plus shows may address some of the issues inherent in this timeline/multiverse/alternate universe timeline problems created by Endgame in general.
He wasn’t really being selfish Because noting they did would effect those Other consequences of the snap Taking your example, a bus driver is snapped away and there is no driver and the bus drives off a cliff and everyone dies on it, or it crashes into multiple cars, killing other motorists and pedestrians....... Bringing back the bus driver doesn’t change what happened to those out Pedestrians and motorist The crash still happened, those other people still died...,only the driver of the bus would return Same with your airplanes, helicopters, trains, and other examples If a surgeon operating on someone was snapped away and his patient died, returning the doctor would not save the guy being operated on Nothing would change what so ever for Any of the people that died collaterally Another thing is that I doubt that his daughter is the only new person born in those five years They have a right to live also,There’s no reason why everybody born in those five years should be wiped out
You’re making the assumption they couldn’t undo the snap right after Thanos completed his initial snap. It’s a no-win situation but honestly, they should have “unsnapped” right after Thanos did his. I think the Russo’s wanted to have a story with real consequences and not just a Big Reset. It still makes Tony look somewhat like a jerk. It’s understandable where he’s coming from and the film really shows the trauma everyone lived through but you are definitely getting into murky morality (from my perspective).
They couldn't undo it right after Thanos' first snap. It would work...but it would create a different timeline (meaning everyone who got snapped in the main timeline would still be gone).
I’m making no assumptions whatsoever, You just don’t seem to be grasping the fundamental part of this time travel theory The film clearly, definitively and by a 100% certainty states that with out a doubt , that undoing the snap was not a possibility They could not change their own past, time travel changes results in new divergent realities So no, That did not make Tony look somewhat like a jerk. ......or more of a jerk anyway
They never confirm that they're making an alternate time line though. They're just making it sound as if the changes in the past don't actually matter. Right but they never mention alternate time lines. They just said you can't change the past which would indicate that the events in the past would still occur even without the stones as if the stones were still there. Have you ever seen Platoon of Power Squadron? They deal with Time Travel in much the same way that Avengers End game seems to be doing it but we actually get to see a visual representation. I recommend checking that out. Original Time Line Skip to 4:15 New Time Line Skip to 1:50 This is pretty much what would happen with the Infinity Stones. Everything would continue to happen unchanged in the past as if the stones were still there. Just like this scene continues to happen unchanged as if Donald was still possessed and killed even though Donald never get possessed and the evil cloud this is actually still inside Damian in the new time line. It is true... I know people who still go hunting. It's pretty common where I live... I don't personally but I'm a pretty rare exception. Well I said pretty much anything other than chicken so you're basically just asking me to name off a long list of birds. I said it that way to avoid making a long list of different birds cause it was easier to say the one is commonly farm raised. One correction though geese are some times farm raised as well but they're harder to raise in captivity so most of them are going to be wild. Turkeys also some times farm raised but mostly they're wild animals. Demand goes up in November but the rest of the year they're costing more to raise on a farm than most farmers can actually make from selling them so a lot of Turkeys get released back into the wild and people will hunt those. Are you sure about that? Have you ever eaten anything other than chicken? If yes than chances are it was wild. Even if all the ones YOU have eaten were domesticated doesn't mean other people aren't eating wild animals. I've never eaten duck or quail but other people do and both of those are wild. That's not a loophole that was the point. Just because it's the most common doesn't mean it's the only one. You want a more specific example of an animal that is exclusively hunted and not raised on farms... Deer. Oh you probably never ate deer meat either... and neither have I for that matter. Just because you never done it doesn't mean other people don't do it. 2016. You could of just looked up what year the movie was released because most of the MCU takes place in the same year that the movies were released with the only exceptions being Captain America First Avenger taking place during World War 2, Captain Marvel taking place in the 90's, and End Game taking place in the future. Pretty much everything else you can go by the release date. Universe... Galaxy would be a lot smaller... like that means it only happened within the Milky Way and everywhere else in the universe nothing changes. Also who says that animals aren't sentient? That's only plants. Kinda pointless to argue about this anyway because Thanos plan was really dumb. He had the power to reshape the universe any way he wanted. Doubling the resources would accomplish the same goal he set out to do without the need to kill anyone. Not only that but personally if I had that thing and I wanted to make sure there were enough resources for the population... I'd even eliminate the need to kill animals by simply replicating the ones who were already killed. Make it so they never expire and can just keep replicating forever. Go to the store, pick up the last pack of bacon then magically you see that another pack of bacon is still on the shelf. It's technically the same pack in your shopping cart... and in everyone else's shopping cart because now it's infinite bacon. It's freaking space magic so why not? Thanos wiping out half the universe was less of a plot whole when his motivation was just trying to impress Death. The whole population vs. resources thing just doesn't work... It was fine when he was limited to visiting one planet at a time and couldn't make things magically spawn into existence but after he got the power to reshape the universe with magic... having pretty much the same limitation of having to kill half the population makes him kinda stupid.
I see what you guys are saying but this whole divergent timeline business creates other fuzzy morality issues and waters down the impact of the story (IMO). I mean, it boils down to: why is your “5 years later” timeline more important then my “5 years ago” timeline? If everything becomes a divergent timeline, it just seems like nothing matters. There will always be timelines that get screwed. We also understand that there’s infinite choices/possibilities so nothing matters? Maybe I’m getting more “heady” then necessary but this is really my only pet peeve with the movie. You have to “hand wave” the deeper implications of what is presented (IMO). And they set up these rules on how stuff works to make the story work. I enjoyed the story but I still think some of these details are just funky (IMO).
I feel like you've missed the scene between Hulk and The Ancient one. That explicitly states they are creating alternate timelines from the point of a change in the past. And this alternative timeline would carry on taking the changed events as it's history, separate from the main one. That's why hulk wanted steve to return the stones at the end. Doing so at the moment they were taken would close that timeline. But some changes like Loki escaping prevents it from being closed because that didn't get fixed. And the ancient one demonstrated visually that if hulk took the time Stone to his present, the ancient one and everyone from that moment in 2012 would continue in an alternate timeline where the time stone was no longer present.
