Is it weird that I’m still on team Dany? At this point I’d be perfectly happy if there was nobody left but her, Drogon and Ser Davos.

 

Yeah, its weird 

 

Again, the problem is not that Dany went “Mad Queen”, as stated before that’s probably where the books will head too, it’s that the writing was so fucking bad that she went from “executes enemies that betray her or enslave and murder innocents” to “genocides entire city” in the span of two episodes.

Regardless of if there was foreshadowing that Dany could be pushed down a darker path there’s a huge difference to foreshadowing and a character arc. One is bad writing, one is good writing. GOT has gone heavily down the “bad writing” path. If you enjoy it, congratulations, but don’t expect everyone else to simply overlook the fact that a show touted as one of the best written shows ever has totally failed to properly write one of the main protagonists’ arcs in an incredibly dire way.

If you honestly can not see a sharp decline in writing with this season, or even the steady decline ever since they overtook the books, then I seriously question your judgement.

 

It’s pretty hard to celebrate it. It was pretty bad even before she decided to kill’em all.

 

No bad writing, just jamming everything into 6 episodes. Stretch it out to 10 and you have one of (if not the best) seasons.

Probably excellent writing considering they had to make it fit such a short time.

 

Yeah I honestly can’t get behind murdering women and children for no reason whatsoever. Or ever now that I think about it.

 

It’s the job of the writers to work with what they have and adapt their story to match. 6 episodes is over 6 hours and, as has come to light, they were offered another 4 and declined. Either way, they were aware for a long time of the route Dany was going to take and they chose not to properly write it into a satisfying arc.

It is bad writing.

 

I actually thought the last episode did a fantastic job with the real cost of war in an otherwise fantastical world though.

 

Yeah..and like i said I would have accepted dani going to the dark side had I seen more of a struggle with it..that didn't happen..

Dani..i want to burn them all

Advisor: you shouldnt

Dani..do you changed my mind..

That's not writing

 

Theyve been on point so far.. no reason to not believe it

 

I never got the sense from her or her acting that she was gonna slip..not once

 

She didn’t slip; this is who and what she is.

 

Let’s just ignore the “who” and “why” because that’s, like, writing and writing’s hard. All spectacle no substance is far better.

 

Uh huh.
Yeah.

Ok...
The show portrayed Dany the way the rest of us suspected / knew her to be.

But please- continue to tell us to question our own judgement while blaming bad writing for your not getting her character.

 

I mean, Dany was always ready to charbroil her own allies-- you think innocent civilians stood a chance if she was angry? The way she was treating Jon and Tyrion from the start of season 8 told you she was losing her grip on whatever sense of morality she had. Her morality was basically: You're with me or you're against me.

I'll concede that things were kind of rushed or maybe better decisions could have been made on how things were portrayed but I also think there wasn't much plot left in the last two seasons. You could always play "what-if" but at the end of the day there wasn't much plot left to play with.

If you really want to see how "difficult" Dany is, just remember how she treated Jon when they first met or how she behaved at Winterfell with Sansa. As much as Dany is awesome for overcoming so much and lifting herself to the status of a queen, she's also just a brat with a walking nuke bomb in her back pocket. Remove the nukes and she has... nothing. Jon is influential because of his bravery, leadership and nobility. Her influence comes from mortal terror.

Jon's character actually got elevated from all the negotiating and convincing he went through with her in season 7. She was such a pain in the ass, it really made Jon look like a smart guy because he was able to convince a potential adversary into a mutually beneficial allegiance. All of that hard work almost went down the garbage chute when she entered Winterfell and started behaving like she was gonna change the curtains and rename the place Dragon's Outhouse.

It was shocking that she razed KL and blanket murdered civilians but I believe she always had that inside her and you just needed the right set of circumstances for it to come out. And that's what we got.

And I'll bet you dollars to donuts that GRRM will use Jon's true parentage also as a cudgel to tip Dany over in the books too.

 

I just want to say... the show could probably have used another season or two but I'm glad it's ending now. Regardless of all the complaints, the show has been TV gold for a very long time and I've enjoyed the ride Martin created and D&D's adaptation. The only way I flip on this show is if Jon ends up with the equivalent ending as Dexter becoming a lumberjack....

 

Right there with ya.
I was shocked and appalled that she actually did it... but I’m not gonna pretend that this was out of character for her.

 

Then what was the point of her even bothering with saving humanity from the White Walkers?

 

Why does anyone bother getting up in the morning? Let’s not pretend that characters can’t act in contradictory ways, especially on GoT. Or in ways that isn’t to their advantage or could harm them but helps others.

If you want to boil it down to Dany’s pure motivation, she sees the world as With Me or Against Me. Jon convinced her the North was aligned with her because she was powerful, the rightful heir to the throne and benevolent.

By the time the siege of KL began she no longer believed she had any allies. Her claim to the throne was starting to get questioned. And she believed that she was only followed because of her power and ability to strike fear. Not out of love, mercy or benevolence.

Her world view drastically changed. She only helped in the first place because she thought the North was her allies. The North still helped in her siege of KL but she no longer believed they followed her or thought of her as the rightful queen. She was convinced they were there because of Jon. Which is true. But then she began doubting Jon’s loyalty and trustworthiness because he was unwilling to lie to his family. She got paranoid (as she’s prone to do) and went level 11 nuke to prove her power.

A stable leader isn’t impulsive, can see the big picture and isn’t shaken by setbacks. She’s none of those things. She gets results because she’s been lucky and has nukes.