That'd be excellent for lots of people I suspect, though it'd need to be owned by someone with detailed knowledge of what's out there and what sizes they come in at etc.

 

much to comprehensive for my undertakings but i think at this point it's def needed

 

Great collection bro.

 

Lol. I saw some of that. I've been avoiding that thread based on their stipulations.
I think you brought up some good points, but you're basically talking to the wall.

I absolutely use TFC Liokaiser and WB Bruticus as chug, as well as FP Menasor and MT Computron. The only grey area one I have is TFM Menasor. I feel he hits more marks and aesthetics for an MP collection. Not to say they're not usable in a chug collection, I just wouldn't classify TFM Menasor as chug.
The others, including Feral Rex, chug all the way.

 

thank you

yeah it was pretty bad, when you can say "we can ignore when hastakomy does stupid stuff and pick and choose around that" you're basically opening it up for everything to be included but i digress, i respect your decision to not just into that wall lol

 

My CHUG combiners are as follows,

Devastator = GT GB
Bruticus = MB bruticus
Menasor = TFM Havoc
Predaking = TFC Ares
Abominus = UT Ordin
Computron = WB02
Superion = n/a
Defensor = GT defensor/ko Mt?
Throttlebots combiner

So far this sizes satisfy me with scale and looks. Hopefully I can finish my G1 combiners soon

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There's a new one.  



zmog

 

MMC Feral Rex, TFC Hades, Warbotron Bruticus, UT Abominus are all pretty much MP-scale... at least, based on their component bots.

In most cases, if the individual limbs are Voyagers, and the leader matches MP10, that's basically MP-scale, right? However, the combined modes on those ones feel a bit small next to other MP figures

Some of those bots feel okay as CHUG scale (the Predacons are all pretty strong, and the Constructicons should all be biggish, etc...). It's hard to get everything "perfect" but sometimes 'close enough' is still good.  

I think Hasbro did something really remarkable with CW Devastator and POTP Predaking, by keeping the components at a Voyager-ish scale while still having HUGE combined modes. Also, making it so the combiners aren't so heavy that they fall apart or are difficult to pose. I think both those teams work equally well as MP or CHUG scale.

By contrast, the Jinbao Predacons and Combaticons, and the JJ Aerialbots feel just a bit too big to fit into a CHUG line-up. And the JB Gravity Builder bots are just monstrous (which is also sort of what's awesome about them)!

zmog

 

Just a heads up. Out of all of the leaders (MMC Razorclaw, TFC Leozack, WB Onslaught, and UT Hun-grr) you listed up there, none of them match MP10 in height. They're all shorter or drastically shorter in regards to Hades.
So, according to your definition, they are not MP-scale. They certainly are not MP aesthetic either.

Which is why I pointed out TFM Menasor as actually MP scale, as Motormaster's alt and bot match MP10 Perfectly.









Also of note, if the majority of your chug collection consists of voyager height figures as soldiers, and has leader class leaders (CW Megatron or TR Optimus for example); would voyager limbs and ultra corebots not fit into this collection fine?

 

Considering that most of those were developed before MP had such a rigid, flat cartoon aesthetic, it wouldn't be surprising that they don't perfectly match the MP aesthetic. But I do believe that they were developed to deliberately match scale with MP figures, which is sort of the point.

Yes, obviously Leozack isn't MP10-sized. It's a 6-part combiner. However MMC Razorclaw, WB Onslaught, and UT Hun-grr ARE all just a bit smaller than MP10, which is pretty much what they should be if you're going for a rough MP scale.

They generally don't match the vague scale used in CHUG, especially when you consider that Voyager is the standard for most characters in that 'leadership' range. Meanwhile, the actual Leader Class tends to have a lot of off-scale renditions of characters (Soundwave, Blaster, POTP Prime, CW Megatron). In other words, it's a bit too big. Probably the old Ultra size class would have fit the bill better. So there's a reason why TR Blaster is chilling with my MP leaders.  

As stated, the CHUG scale is a chaotic thing with lots of hiccups. But even though you can always find exceptions, there's still a rough norm that those exceptions are deviating from.

zmog

 

Of course all this begs the question as to what qualifies the combiner as MP or CHUG scaled? To me, the size of the individual bots is meaningless. I display my combiners combined and the size of the combiner is what determines their scale to me.

Based off the Sunbow charts, if we're gonna be anal about it, most combiners should be about 2.5 times as tall as Optimus.

MP-10 is 9.5" tall, an MP combiner should be about 23.75" tall, which clearly disqualifies everything in the 15" Warbotron scale. Technically Toyworld's Constructor at 20" is a tad short, but we can fudge and give it to him.

Toyworld Orion is 7.75" tall so technically a properly scaled combiner should be 19.375" tall, but I find the 15" Warbotron scaled combiners are good enough (I was also way too heavily invested in them when taller combiners started coming out to switch). Of course, this technically means that Toyworld Constructor is actually a perfectly scaled CHUG combiner and TECHNICALLY too small for MP.

There is also aesthetic to consider, of course. I think all the 15" combiners are generally a good match for the CHUG aesthetic, although I agree that TFM's Menasor technically looks too nice for CHUG, but he's the only 15" Menasor we have, so he stays.

 

And herein lies the problem... I agree that scale for combiners should be the combined mode. After all, if I want a cab and trailer with 4 cars, I'll get Prime and 4 carbots. If I buy the Stunticons it's because they form Menasor!

So, if a combiner is 2.5 times Prime, the combined mode of the combiner is what should be in scale - MP or otherwise. I can accept a bit of deviation, so 19, 20, 21 inches or 14, 15, 16 inches, can go together simply because the combiners aren't identical and so can be slightly different from each other, just not massively different.

I could have gone with 15 inch sets with a larger Devy, but FT10 means that's just not practical anymore...

 

Absolutely. When I say the 15" Warbotron scale, there's some acceptable deviation there. Hell, I have Victorion with the upgrade kit in my lineup and she works well enough for me. The problem for me is Superion, I have the TFC Superion with the OSKO torso to add some height and make the proportions better and it's... fine, but if GT would do a Superion after their Defensor, or if Warbotron or TFM would come back and make a Superion, I'd be a lot happier. Here's the best pic I could take of my collection thus far ( I couldn't get a high enough angle to show the back guys very well, but everyone should know who they are. The Predaking is the OSKO of Feral Rex:

 

So, with TFC Uranus, the regular limbs size are compatible with the OS KO TFC Silverbolt version?

 

15" combiners are my "CHUG" combiners, if i'm allowed to ignore that Hastakomy does one offs like Leader Blaster/Soundwave, and figures that have headmasters that shouldn't, then i can ignore the combiners they did which don't look good save for Bruticus with DW upgrades. As for TFM Menasor i think he looks perfect with the CHUGs combined or not but at this point i see things diff than how everyone one else does and i don't care about scale as my head cannon is not based on "Toon/Comic". 15" combiners, devil stinger is having his city mode ignored, and i want a 2ft tall Unicron and i'll be happy with my chug collection

 

I'm going to break with the pack here and say that individual bot mode is more important to determining the scale category for a combiner.

But that's because I think the individual members of each combiner team are actually more important and appealing than the combined forms. I mean, I love the Combaticons because I like the characters on the team, and Bruticus is the most boring of the batch...

The only reason I don't display more of my combiners as separate bots is purely a question of shelf footprint.  

That said, you still want to find the best compromise. I've always subscribed to a rough, relative sense of scale. Devastator is officially 60ft tall, but he's usually depicted as being bigger. I don't really care if he's double Prime's size, or 2.5 times bigger. Combiners just need to feel BIG... but I'm not too fussy about HOW big they feel, as long as they look right next to each other. If Devastator looms over Optimus, that's all I really need, but i don't want Devastator to look puny next to Defensor.

I have the same outlook with Seekers. I'm not particular about HOW big they need to be. They don't need to match scale-wise with their alt-modes and Autobot alt-modes. As long as a Seeker is just a bit bigger than an Autobot car, and shorter than Megatron, that's all I really need.

I agree, the 15" Combiners are a bit small for MP, even if the bot modes match. Meanwhile, stuff like OS Warbotron feels a bit TOO big for MP.

That's why I think Hasbro has nailed it with really solid combiners that seem big enough to display with MP stuff, but also feel like the right size as individual bots. I'm curious what we'll see next after CW Devastator and POTP Predaking.

zmog

 

Yeah, shocked me too. The ports are the same size despite the figures being upsized.

 

You give me a lot to think of  

 

An small update.

 

My combiner situation. I really like the 18" scale for the combined forms and I use the CW as individual bot modes

18"
Superion JuJiang - CW on bot shelf
CW Devastator - undersized KBB on bot shelf
POTP Predaking - please god someone make a undersized set
KOOS Warbotron - CW bots on the shelf

Still as CW Combiners 11"
Defensor - Waiting to see how tall the Yes Model version is but i suspect still too small so also keeping an eye on toy world (which will prob be too big  )
Menasor - Waiting on final height of x-transbots, the other rumoured 3rd Party mensor fromt he new company (cant remember name) is supposed to be 18" if its ever done/finished so there is hope
Computron - No larger one I am aware of any time soon
Abominous - the new OSKO im hoping hits 16" plus and I can prob mount it on heels to get there