Game of Thrones - A Song of Ice and Fire for TV!

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  1. Fenrys

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    “I don’t think [Game of Thrones show-runners] Dan and Dave’s ending is gonna be that different from my ending because of the conversations we did have."

    Game of Thrones ENDING: George RR Martin teases ‘BIG differences’ in books for THIS group

    apparently george rr martin doesnt think the end of the tv series is that different from the end of the books, but what does he know
     
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    I juuussst read that article.:lol  John was Luke to NKs Vader, who got one shotted by an Akbar. Woulda been a hell of an ending for return of the jedi.
     
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    Whatever the author of your quote is arguing, it hinges on traditional, conventional storytelling but GoT has consistently shown, repeatedly, is that the good guys don't always win. The good guys don't always do the right thing. And you're not guaranteed a happy ending just because you did the right thing.

    The fact that Night King is destroyed, humanity is saved and its back to petty squabbles and nastiness completely fits with this narrative. GoT does not operate on big, dramatic conflicts between absolute good versus absolute evil (or life versus death). It operates on people acting like a-holes and seeing how far selfishness will carry each character.

    In fact, Jon should never have succeeded at creating a united front. Dany should have roasted Cersi. Winterfell would have been overrun by the NK. And Dany would have been caught by surprise that the NK was a real threat. Everyone would be dead.

    If Jon had a Luke versus Vader fight with NK and killed/destroyed the NK-- it still would not changed the overall arc of the show. It still would be about the final outcome over the throne and the sheer, senseless, carnage that fighting for the throne caused. The NK is not Vader, Sauron or Voldemort. He's an obstacle for survival but not the final destination.
     
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    Him to actually fight with his own sword instead of stare at people and walk away. Or to not just walk in such slow motion to the point that he lost because he was stupid. He makes James Bond villains look intelligent.
     
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    If it was unconventional, he would have grabbed her, broke her neck and instantly turned her into a whyte, that's unconventional.
     
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    So Melisandre and her beautiful boobies are no more?
     
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    Not related to the plot of the episode, but am I the only one who HATES this trope where - at the end of a battle when things are going bad for the heroes - suddenly the sound turns down, some classical-style music turns up and everything goes slow-motion? It seems like Hollywood does this *constantly* and I'm tired of seeing it. It pretty much ruined the last 10 - 15 minutes of the episode for me.

    Anyway. Otherwise a great episode and nice to see it was a longer one. The battle had some good ebbs and flows, most of the characters had at least one good moments and the action sequences were fun. Need to check a review to see who died exactly - a few were obvious, but I think I might have missed a few minor characters going down in the chaos. Regarding the way the Night King went down, I think they needed to do a better job of setting that up. Arya and her group are in some random room, she runs out...and then awhile latter manages to somehow sneak up on the Night King. Is there a secret passage she took to get from wherever they were to the courtyard? It feels like they had two ideas - Arya and company fight zombies in the castle, Arya kills the Night King - but didn't connect A to B well enough.

    Also hoping we learn a little more about the how and why of the Night King and the White Walkers. Maybe next episode Bran will take a break from being cryptic and explain a few things to the other characters.
     
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    Question for everyone who didn’t like it- if Jon managed to get past the dragon the night king put in their path, and he was the one to get the jump on the night king, how would you have felt about that?

    Also I can’t stop laughing about this, my sister started watching it and text me asking if it was supposed to be so dark, 5 mins later she text saying she just changed some settings on her TV and could see everything perfectly. Did no one think to adjust their settings? :lol 

    But why? We know now if he’s dead, they loose. From a tactical stand point does it not make sense to keep the guy he thought we be the problem (Jon) in the air long enough for his swarm to wreck winterfell and his forces?

    Or should he have just gone into the place with all the valerian steel in Westeros just for a one on one he’ll likely loose?
     
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    Being in Europe, I only got to watch this last night.

    The show runners should have taken a leaf out of J. Michael Straczynski's book and tell the viewer up-front, right at the beginning of the season what's going to happen but do it in such a manner that it's fairly obscure and viewers don't read anything into it. Instead, they seem to just make Bran be all secretive and tell nobody anything because they're scared they'll ruin the surprises they have in store.

    Initial thoughts about EP3:

    • What's going on? I can't see anything! I watched the post-episode docu and they talked about creating "different palettes" for the episode, which all seemd to just have varying intensities of dark brown and black. Perhaps the Blu Ray release will solve this, and the darkness of the episode is partly down to horrible bit-rates and artefacts caused by on-line broadcast.
    • Lyanna Mormont. So bad add ass. So awesome. So sad that the was crushed to death. I genuinely shouted "Noooo!" at the TV when the giant picked her up. I liked the character even more after watching Bella Ramsey, the actress who played her, tell us all how happy she was to have a great death.
    • Arya killing the NK - wha? Another awesome moment and it felt so right, even if it was something that was done just to surprise the viewers. It still made sense as to who and what Arya had become over the course of the show though, so it's all cool.
    • Sansa and Tyrion - 'You were the best of them" - sorry, but that line just made me, a grown 42 year old man who is no softy go Awwww" inside. One of the more unexpected and seemingly genuine tender moments in the entire show.

    On the whole, I found the episode to have moments of greatness. But they were just that - brief moments in an otherwise very uneven feeling episode, where it felt a lot of the pacing was being forced and spread out. I can understand how the NK's demise seemed all to sudden after so much of a buildup over the years; but I think any ending would have been the same. If the order of events would have been reversed; defeating Cersei and THEN the NK, then perhaps we would have a longer arc for his demise - but this way is so much more interesting.

    On the whole, I liked it. It gets a B+ from me.
     
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    I was so sad when Lady Mormont opened her eyes an they were blue. Devastated, fav side character on the show.
     
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    No it doesn’t and I think you missed the point of the article. “that the squabbles between the great houses of Westeros are nothing compared with the unstoppable force of nature slowly bearing down on them from the wintery north.” There is no point in this character or story arc what-so-ever if you return to a “Game of Thrones” post battle. Why include the character or theme in the story? It serves no purpose unless misdirection is the point all along, or more likely without Martin writing they have no clue what to do. You could have just done a fight for the Throne all along there are plenty of reasons to people for to team up against Cersei and have a traditional fight for power story. Including a larger theme and weaving it into the story over years only to abandon it in the end is pointless and unfulfilling.

    Still would have been stupid because it fucks of the major theme.

     
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    I think what it boils down to is you were expecting something and it didn’t happen, whether that be due to the books or whatever, it’s valid. The night king and that threat was what interested you and you, justifiably, feel short changed.

    Myself on the other hand, am more invested in the political side of the show. All the other stuff is cool, but when it boils down to it I love the twists and back stabbing and character moments (not saying you don’t also like that, btw). So when we found out how the night king came to be and why, I was sort of like... done? With caring? Like... I got why he was made and saw his motive was to just wipe out humanity, so it stopped interesting me as much.

    Now obviously there is more to it in the books, and I’m not taking that away from you- but for someone like myself who just watched the show (I did try, I’m dyslexic though so 2 pages in an I needed a half hour nap), this was just like... “sure ok, done. Let’s get back to the politics”, if that makes sense? I’m not saying every fan of the show was satisfied either, at all, but I think they bought into the fantasy of what the show has become. Where personally the earlier seasons for me where more enjoyable because, while I love fantasy and dragons an undead an stuff, it was more like it was there,but not quiet.
    I also think this soft growth on the fantasy elements over time is what got a lot of people into it, my mums husband couldn’t give a shit about any fiction like this, but the slow burn is what got him into it.

    Sorry I’ve probs rambled and not explained my point well here, but eh.
     
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    She used the famous Winterfell zipline, Weeeeee!
     
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    Martin has said the show is ending in a similar manner to the books, so your issues with the night king not being the big bad will be present in the books as well
     
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    They could have actually used her “super-power” she could have disguised herself. Instead of an utterly unbelievable attack. Shit writing.
     
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    I'll just leave it to completely disagreeing that the NK and the Long Winter were a theme (big or little). They were a world-ending obstacle but that was it, there was no real complexity to what was going to happen with that threat. I get the some people were disappointed with how that ended but I really didn't think there was going to be any other conclusion to how that threat got removed.

    And, you can make fun of the Arya portion but the funny thing is, folks buy into the fact that she's the ultimate ninja assassin but suddenly its disbelief city that she could have positioned herself to get the jump on the NK at the end. I mean, which is it? She's the ultimate ninja assassin or she's not.
     
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    Perfect. “The World-Famous Winterfell Zipline” is now going to be my head-canon explanation for all the inexplicably rapid travel in this show.
     
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    My wife watches GOT so I kind of watch it in the background while I do my thing. Anyways I was like "Why is it so dark and blurry?" And when I saw what happened to the the Night King Ice Guy I was like "That seems anticlimactic" Like wasn't the show building up to that for years?
     
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    What was unbelievable about it though? They showed us a scene where she was so silent, the only thing louder than her was her own blood dripping on the floor.
    She snuck up on Jon in the snow in day light like 2 days before in the same place.

    I mean I do get it, but she also steals people’s faces and grows taller when she’s being them, an there was dragons, and an undead frost man, there was a lot of unbelievable stuff if we go that route.
     
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    If she had snuck to the tree and jumped down from that, fine. But she clearly attacked from above where there was nothing she could have dropped from.

    Ergo - Zipline, it's a thing.
     
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