Is MtG dying?

 

Since the day before the release of Alpha. Real MTG players only use the original, hand drawn by Garfield cards.

 

A bit overdramatic, don't you think? A card game having a broken combo discovered that needs immediately killed off by the devs of the game is more a right of passage for a TCG rather than the beginning of the end.

 

I hate combos like this, sucks all the fun out of game. It's why I stopped playing magic. Sad news for me, because I still haven't finished my Wheeljack deck and it sounds like they're going to quietly phase out specialists. Oh well.

I wish you could play this easily online though

 

This thread really need a Ultra Magnus "Duly appointed Enforcer of the Tyrest Accord" smashing his Magnus Hammer down saying "Banned!"

 

I appreciate how honest, detailed, and transparent they were about how and why they came to this decision. It's a shame, but it happens sometimes and i trust that they made the right decision here.

 

As a casual player I always thought Swap Parts was a useless card. I have to start thinking more about chaining cards I guess. I wrote off things like Tech Research or Ancient Wisdom-Unleash Potential for similar reasons. It seems like requiring that you get several cards together to make something happen is too risky compared to a card that will work in any situation.

 

No. Not even a small amount of Drama.

That combo, as abusive as it was, can be shut down by mill cards or killing off characters. The real problem was the denial of the opponent's turn by going turn after turn after turn. Had they restricted the game to no more than 2 consecutive turns per row, the opponent got his turn to do his damage. I've played this deck with Predacons and via use of Espionage and Torox, the combo deck go hurt.

MtG, in all of its current glory has gone through and still is going through a serious decline. Many are fed up with the absurd number of bans and erratas (I know I sure was and it was one of two main reasons I stopped playing MtG. I know many that followed suit or had dropped the game way before I). Will that game ever die? Highly doubtful due to sheer amount of investment people have put into it and the game's popularity throughout the years.

Transformers tcg, despite the love and dedication its fan base has displayed, is no where near as popular nor the investment level that big. The game is still too new and too undiscovered for such. Issuing bans/erratas on game this early in its life while it's not as popular, with as fickle and finicky people are makes things worse. It's been a struggle to get people interested in the game around where I live, but one of the selling points I used was the game's complex, yet simple mechanics and no bans/erratas. That alone attracted people. Now that we have our first ban, not only does this herald future bans to come (and they will be coming), but many that are put off by bans/erratas will no longer bother looking at this game.

Swap Parts was always hella effective in Plane decks. I've seen a player using Dreadwing/Slipstream using Swap Parts to hella-efficiency. R.I.P. that deck now.

 

What makes you think they are phasing our specialists? All it does is prevent the specialist deck from over-playing due to the 2 “multi” battle cards with a specific card.

 

read the whole article

 

The amount of detail that went into this explanation is amazing. Especially when you have games/companies like Yu-Gi-Oh/Konami who barely communicate with thier player bade.

 

I did. And I feel you are over-reacting. They said they will be careful about specialists going forward. I think that will be either make less of them per deck, make them higher rarity cards, or depower them significantly

 

Wow, that kinda reminds me of the old Prosbloom deck from MTG. Kinda

 

Darn, suckered again. One shot, one turn, and God level decks are exactly what I avoid in games. I am checking out of active participation, it's just not fun now. Is there a trade/sales thread for this game yet?

 

Yes. Sticked on the top of this sub-forum.

But do not let that experience ruin the whole thing for you. The game is still highly entertaining and plenty of fun decks to go about  

 

wouldn't they have a computer doing successive iterations of deck lists to figure this out ahead of time? Infinite combos, stalls, and other frustration tactics have been a part of card games for a while. People spend a lot of time to figure this stuff out.

 

Well this was bound to happen. Someone would find the unforseen murder engine and something had to be done to break it. Nice of them to point out other potential fixes either didn't do enough or hurt the game.

 

I'd actually argue that while MtG has seen it's popularity fluctuate time and again, it's actually had a bit of a renaissance in recent years, and as a game that's been around for 25 years it needs bans, erratas, rotations, etc. to keep evolving. Any and all card games that are worth playing long term will do those things to keep the game alive and fresh, as well as accessible for new players who maybe didn't buy that one set with that one card that came out a decade ago but still would like to get into the game and be able to keep up (as well as in Magic's case different formats to play where you can use any of your old cards and there are few to no bans).

The thing is I think people are more finicky about wanting to get into a game only to find out there's no point investing in it because the game has combos in place that makes your experience the equivalent of watching your opponent play solitaire. That kind of thing turns off WAY more people than the idea that Wizards would address a problem by banning a card, the act of which is again not a sign heralding the end or any such nonsense but rather a sign that this maybe isn't just another trash licensed TCG game and that the people working on this game actually give a damn and that they want this game to have a future.

Besides, bans aren't necessarily permanent, with the nice thing about this being a relatively new game is that future editions could maybe institute new rules about situations like consecutive turn limits that could allow Swap Parts to return someday. These actions can be revisited time and again if needed as more and more cards are released and enter the metagame. But for the time being they've explained how they looked at different options and just ditching the card from competitive play for now is the best solution.