Oversized KO MPM Optimus Prime - Heavily Modified

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by Cheem The Rup, Sep 22, 2018.

  1. OMEGAPRIME1983

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    To be fair, many regard the official release a bit to small, or the others a bit to large. The biggest issue with this is that they've almost gone TO big with the oversizing.
     
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    This.
     
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    Oh man! This couldn't be worst! Faceplam!!
     
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    I will wait to see how it looks in hand - hardly going to be difficult to sell it on at cost - but it does look like they’ve really fumbled this one. How things look in real life compared with photos might rescue it, but there’s no disputing that they’ve so far ended up with, firstly, an unnecessary upscaling, and now really drawing the eye to a needless design choice. Then there’s the paint job; I personally like it, but then I’m not particularly arsed about the truck mode. For those that are it’ll be irritating tho.

    So, again - choosing to upscale; choosing to change the transformation to massively emphasis the abs; choosing to execute a paintjob that can’t look “right” in both modes: what’s driving those three unnecessary decisions, when they had a proto that was doing an ideal job?
     
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    It's weird people keep asking this question, but it's already been stated it's an engineering issue.

    Had this been the only change, I could see the outcry. But there are so many other things changed on this that clearly BA did what he could, and with the rest of the changes it wasn't possible.

    Obviously something didn't work between protos, and since we're all professional figure making, then we can question such things.

    Let me be clear here: saying you don't like it is fine. Asking why such a change was made when it's been stated already that it's an engineering issue is what I have a problem with.
     
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    My problem is that that figure now sucks. I think your problem is negligible xD
     
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    Yes, you've eloquently stated that, ad nauseam.

    But by all means, build your own. Then we can all buy it. Can't wait!
     
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    That's understandable, however, with the amount of engineering put into this/the modifications I don't believe for one second they could not have engineered a solution.
     
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    Ah, the “no one may criticise something they don’t do for a living” argument. There’s a slippery slope.

    I don’t build transformers toys. I do work in set and prop design tho, and in a previous life worked in automotive design, so the concept of creating prototypes, iterating to changing demands and facing engineering issues isn’t unknown territory. They’re usually caused by something tho. Some kind of choice that’s been made. That’s always the question, WHY is it an engineering issue? What’s driven the change? Was it necessary? Sometimes it is. Sometimes it isn’t.

    Perhaps it’s been covered in detail and I’ve missed that post, I’ve not gone so far back on the thread.
     
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    The abs may compress more.

    However my issue here...it's the chest.

    Ever since the first pics of the official MPM Optimus that enormous gap between the windshield has been annoying, it only creates more porportion issues than solving them.
     
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    Pretty sure the abs can't be compressed any further, If they could be, they wouldn't be sticking out like that
     
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    You don't think BA would have gone for such painstaking accuracy everywhere else to the best of his ability just to give up on the chest? It doesn't make sense.

    Reread what I said. I said it's perfectly fine to criticize the way it looks. But asking acting like something could be done when the designer said there really couldn't be, is the issue I have.

    If you don't like the way it looks, that's fine. And, I even agree. But the chest is the least of my problems as I have stated in this thread previously. The scale, partsforming, the chrome... I'm not going to sit here and act incredulous when the designer said he tried.

    It was stated it was an issue with the structure a few pages back.

    Which also seems par for the course around here. The ToyWorld Predaking thread is a great example of people thinking it's Piranacon for some reason.
     
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    This is part of the reason I’m still half hoping the reality of seeing it in hand will give the lie to some of the photos: I’m absolutely with you on the chest gap, however my own opinion of the official MPM4 is that it doesn’t look so bad in real life as it can look in some photos. So, we’ll see how this one pans out once it arrives. It doesn’t look like it’s quite hit the mark thofor now

    Interesting. I wonder what they did that caused that. I’ll see if that’s covered.

    EDIT: Nope, it’s just the translation of the comment about the structure, but there’s no detail as to why in that. Perhaps it will become clear once we’ve got the toy.
     
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    Different opinions, I'd say.

    Been handling my abomination of a Masterpiece for almost 2 years now (since launch) and I still have more fond of playing with it than any other variations of the mold.

    LT-02 is considered a backup when I don't want to transform the official one for the most part.

    And BMB while it was bought because of my curiosity for the improved parts it's just too friggin' big that it's being shoved into a locker now that my display space is getting crowded.

    Same thing with Wei Jiang one's here so far.

    Bottom line is if one were to call the standard MPM an abomination (we're not talking about QC here, that's beating a dead horse) then others are allowed to call this new figure that he haven't got to handle yet as such too if they think so. And I think we're still all being relatively civil.

    (And if this Weijiang figure were set on fire and run over by a truck it'd DEFINITELY be something I'd be forced to throw away, instead of being better than the abomination I'm proudly playing with. Hyperbole & stuff. And burnt plastic is poisonous.)
     
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    Again, if the abs were the only thing BA had improved and they had fucked it up at the last minute, sure. But people discarding all the other improvements in favor of the highly flawed MPM is what doesn't make sense to me. From my point of view, it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I'm not saying they're wrong for doing so. I just think the negative reaction is way, way too overblown.
     
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    The negative reaction is totally understandable, considering those abs are basically the first thing you see when you look at the figure, and people, I myself included tend to emphasize the negative aspects of something more than the positive ones. That said, most people aren't going to simply display the figure facing backwards, or just the arm or the leg, they're going to display the whole thing, and when you look at the figure holistically, the abs just stand out so much more than any of the other positive changes to the figure. Again, just my opinion
     
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    I agree, but on the bright side if the backlash is enough and people don’t buy the figure weijiang may be motivated to put out a second “fixed” version on what seemed to be their flagship prime
     
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    The thing is, even if we were to go along with that argument, the MPM's abs aren't accurate either with how recessed and concave they are. Not to mention, lest we forget, I'd argue that they're even worse than BA's due to the inaccurate flames on them that stick out way more than BA's physically do. Again, my opinion.
     
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    And again, it's awesome that you're able to overlook it, and willing to accept it. But that's basically you trying to force your opinion onto those if us who aren't thinking the same way. It's overblown for you, great; it's front and center for the rest of us. No one is discarding the rest of it. 99% of us aren't saying that they didn't still improve the rest of the figure. But for me, I would trade out like the way the tanks transform into the guns for the abs to sit right. It's just really hard to believe that they couldn't find a better solution to this. Again, your ok with it. That's awesome. But you can't really say that we're wrong or overblowing things, because that's our opinion, dude.

    Now, again, before completely writing this off, I'll wait for reviews to see if this is just a misunderstanding of how things can be positioned on our part. But if that's how it just is, then I think I'm out. More for you, that way, I guess. :lol 
     
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    They might not be accurate, but they still look good. They're in the right overall position. That's the biggest issue, in my eyes. There's an image on capcomkai's page that shows hope far they protrude from the body, which was why they were supposed to angle down, much like the actual cgi render.

    Capcom Kai on Instagram: “WeiJiang blackapple optimus prime”

    Picture 5 of 6. Neither the official or the bmb come out that far from the body, I don't think. It's been a while since I've seen those figures.
     
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