I like Sam in the first movie, I like Cade Yeager as well..but there not good characters, Charile watson however, is a great human character that this film series need. fill free to share your reasons why

 

Charlie isn't annoying like Sam, nor is she a Mary Sue like Cade.

 

Eh, I didn't find Charlie any different than Sam or Cade that made her more likable than the other. They seem to have their own set of weaknesses.

Cade's too much of an optimist to see his shortcomings as an inventor and projects the choices he made in his life unto his daughter. But he is shown to have a love for machinery even if he's not very good at it. But, his love and optimistic for machinery led him to form a connection with Optimus and help rebuild his faith in humanity.

Charlie doesn't open up to her parents because she doesn't want to ruin their happiness but by holding it in she ends up exploding in anger at her parents at the wrong time.

Sam's low self-esteem plays a large part in his shortcomings. Him being insecure towards more successful and confident people earns him sneer from his loved one. Carly calling him out on it. This kept him from having any agency in the first film. He had to be told what to do by the other characters(Ironhide, Lennox, even Mikaela)
While in the second and third film he had developed a sense of agency. Making the decision himself on finding out the truth behind the symbols in his head. Now in the second film, he still had Bumblebee to fall back on. While in the third film, Sam knew the Autobots were gone, Epps became aware of the scope of how bad the situation was in Chicago and was getting cold feet, but Sam was not giving up on rescuing Carly. Sam in the first film would have most likely had given up by now which shows how much of an influence Optimus and Bumblebee had on him.

 

Charlie is the only one that feels like an actual person to me. Both Sam and Cade have good moments, but they're not really written well, and they don't have a lot of depth beyond surface level.

To me Sam is mostly annoying and overacted. His character is basically just "awkward nerdy high-schooler", but he doesn't have a lot to him beyond that (especially in the sequels). Honestly, he's almost identical to Andrew Garfield's portrayal of Peter Parker. On top of that, he's a very 'Hollywood'-style nerd, I think most real-life nerds know that's not how nerds act. He's honestly sort of a stereotype. He'd be a fine supporting character, but he gets old really fast in small doses.

Cade Yeager has some good depth at the beginning of AOE, but he quickly becomes "generic '80s action hero". Especially in TLK, he's super shallow and doesn't have lot to his character besides vague "destiny" and whatnot. Now, I kind of have a soft spot for this type of character (I like him far more than Sam), but he needed to be fleshed out more. I feel like both Sam and Cade are audience-insert characters...Sam for the younger crowd and Cade for the older viewers.

I thought Charlie did a good job feeling like a real outsider, without feeling overacted or too 'Hollywood'. She had layers to her personality, and we get to know her as a person.

 

Prime example of why Sam sucks.

He screams or yells No...no...no in every movie.

 

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!
GO, GO, GO, GO, GO, GO!!!!!!

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!

That's why.

I thought Cade was okay, I guess

 

Sam and Cade were poorly written characters. Whereas Charlie was given a big investment into her character. Also the scenes moved a lot smoother. Michael Bay's shooting style didn't allow much time to take in the important moments.

 

I imagine there are a lot of intangibles that make them work for different people. Like Sam’s a young lad looking for a girlfriend and a car like many adolescents so that’s relatable. Cade is a single dad doing his best for his daughter so she doesn’t end up like him and her late mother. Again this is relatable and indeed laudable.

Yet the writers felt the need to play Sam’s eccentricities to the hilt to the point where Brian Blessed would be telling the kid to ease off milking it

 

That's a good write up. Of the three I liked Cade the best. Sam seemed to be too comedic and Charlie too depressed, but they both had issues to overcome, which was good. Though I think they could have left the while high diving subplot out of the movie easily enough...

 

Funny, because I recall you calling Charlie dealing with her father's death "annoying teen angst." Way to backpedal on what you said.

 

Damn, that's really well said. I agree with you.

 

Sam's biggest problem is they really didn't seem to know what to do with his character after the first movie. All the things that make him rather likeable as a high school looser on the quest for his first car just don't work for college or his adult life after college. Instead of growing as a character he seemed stuck as the no no no no no kid forever.

Cade is too standard issue action hero for my taste. Any little bit that might make him interesting has to be shoved aside so he can kick some bad guy ass and in the next film so he can impress the woman who would be the prize of the hero has to win. Okay and just really bugged me to no damn end that he's living in Texas but doesn't pick up any of the accent.

Charlie is just more relatable when things don't go right or hating her job. It's kind of that just right amount of life not going right where it's not so horrible that it is nothing but doom and gloom, but at the same the character can feel joy when something does go right. She feels more like someone you might know instead of feeling like a script checking off boxes on what they want the character to be. It felt when Charlie has her moment of having to step up to be the hero that it's a big moment for the character, with Sam and Cade it's eh what Hollywood expects it's male heroes to do.

Well okay and some of it my hopes of it coming down to just downright acting talent. Between Bumblebee and Into the Spiderverse I kind of want to see whatever Hailee Steinfeld is in next.

 

Both Sam and Cade were aggressive, confrontational, self-centered pricks, and in Cade's case, he was also a control freak, while Sam lacked autonomy until movie three. Cade admittedly was somewhat sympathetic in his desire to protect his daughter and in going out of his way to protect the Autobots, and Sam had an amusing moment or two, but their negative traits overshadow the gold, and their character arcs overshadow the development of the actual Transformers.

By contrast, Charlie is a much better protagonist, taking initiative without starting fights over trivial matters, her character development furthers Bumblebee's rather than overshadowing it and pays off in the end, and she actually treats her friends like friends. She isn't a perfect human being, but when she yells at her mother, I understand her emotions and sympathize with her more than I ever did with Cade or Sam.

 

They were assholes. She was not.

 

I can't say this better myself,so I'm just going to quote this post.

 

The humans in bay movies were purposely over the top cartoonish morons. Loony Tunes but with real life actors.

The Bee movie had people a little closer to actual human beings.

I don't blame the characters or the actors, I blame the writers and directors who shape those characters for "differences". And some people prefer one style over another.

You could swap any of the character into any of the other movies, and what you get is the style/tone of the film that sets those character interactions.

 

I couldn't sympathize with Charlie. It seemed like her mom and step dad were trying to be nice and patient to her and cared about her. Instead of being nice to them in return, she saved her affection for the mute alien robot that she just met.

I thought the Duhamel and Gibson characters in the Bay movies were well done despite the other human characters in those movies.

 

Charlie was ok here character wasn't better or more deep than the other characters There is literally nothing that makes her better the only reason is she was in BB movie and the other two were in bay’s that’s really why people like her more

 

Exactly

They were.

 

Charlie was boring no charisma, Cade barely had a personality Sam is the only one I like because he was entertaining annoying and like able and had personality and seem like he was having fun with his role don’t @ me