Nop. You got this completely wrong: Your reply was in the realm of speculation, its completely with evidence leaning against it lacking foundation. There is nothing to suggest that Megatron could carry out successfully his desperate move without the humanshield. Probabilities are greater that if HotRod had not intervened Optimus would have lived. And I dont care about the intentions of the toy company, I speak from an in universe perspective only.

 

Would he though?

A very weakened Optimus and a very rookie army. The autobots only had the dinobots as a true powerhouse at this stage.

So put them against the remaining decepticons.

Blitzwing
Astrotrain
Starscream
Soundwave(and his minions)
Devastator
The coneheads.etc
There's also the possibility that the Combaticons and Stunticons could've been easily on call where as almost the entire autobot army was wiped out.

So we have the dinobots, a badly damaged prime, a a small team of noob autobots vs a large remainder of the decepticon army full of very capable fighters still. Let's say Optimus did kill Megatron, what would stop Starscream or Soundwave from randomly flying up and shooting Optimus?

 

It still amazes me to this day people believe Megatron didn’t at least have a 50% chance to pull the gun, aim and fire while Optimus had a dead bead on his head already and all he need was a split second to squeeze the trigger.....

Especially when that’s exactly what he was able to do in the marvel comic telling of the story ......with out hotrod doing anything at all

Btw I’d expect Megatron to fire wildly

I know enough about “gunplay”
Which really isn’t the issue here

thrn he should have pulled the trigger when he had the chance

No matter how you cut it, Optimus allowed Megatron to get his hands on a weapon

Sure, maybe Optimus could have fires first, but allowing Megatron to crawl to that weapon was a tactic mistake, and a mistake he made himself

A mistake that is the direct cause of his death

i don’t think “ who was in Worcester shape” can be proven here

Check the comic

Again
The comic

And I don’t disagree, Probabilities are greater that if HotRod had not intervened Optimus may have gotten off the first shot

But even that’s really isint the issue, the mistake was allowing Megaton to get his hands on the weapon in the first place

And that’s a mistake you can only blame Optimus for

 

Nice find

Found it online or did you pull out the comic?

 

Online, I had no idea this even happened without Hotrod in the comics

 

Would you mind sharing the site

 

https://readcomiconline.to

 

Thanks

 

Agree completely.

 

you never see rodimus kill himself over a video game

 

Really

The guy who believed the old line of a “ultimate weapon”

Cartoon Rodimus wasn’t lacking on the gullible department

Thanks

That’s the reason I don’t blame hotrod

I could careless for all the other arguments about rod trying to help, and how “prime would have this or that”.... would have pulled the trigger first

There are way to many possible senecios, that no one can say for sure who could have won that draw....who could fire first......

The bottom line is that Megqtron should not have been allowed the opportunity to get his hands on any weapon

 

Definitely Optimus. Rodimus is ok, but Optimus will always be known as the definitive Transformer character.

 

In a few more years it'll probably be Bumblebee

 

TRUKK NOT RICER LAMBORGHINI BOOTLEG(It is actually a Lancia Zero)


But yeah, Rodimus just feels like a "stick him in, the kids will love him" kind of character.

OP is similiar, but had such a good relationship with Megatron that it was a bit of a connection/mental debate between the two in my opinion.

 

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Jesus fucking Christ...


I realize that certain people "need" to be right, but why in the hell is anyone posting a comic event in a discussion about the animated movie? It's about the same level as arguing something about the Avengers movie and using Avengers #1 as the basis for your argument.

Un-fucking-believable.




Also, I realize "to sell toys" is going to be the default argument for some, but when theorizing about potential events in fiction that takes a back seat. "Why did Optimus die?" "To sell toys." Totally cool. "Did Hot Rod prevent Optimus from shooting Megatron?" "To sell toys." Nope.




And last but not least, all Sto Vo Kor clones are on ignore.

 

“need to be right”
You must be talking into a mirror

Jesus fucking Christ indeed

Your overlooking the Inherit flaws of your position....one supporting that the events at Autobot city were such that it would drive Optimus to an Execution (An act that was pretty much out of character) ,As if those acts Were more atrocious than anything he had ever done before.It was a 9 million year war, how many times do you think Megatron matched or exceeded the violence that occurred at the city attack?

Think about it, even if we only focus on events we saw in the cartoon and discount anything that likely happened of screen in those millions of years, the Repercussions of bringing another world into earths orbit certainly would have created devastation far surpassing that which we saw in the film

Oh I forgot,Megatron shot primes girlfriend and best friend back in the day

If Prime didn’t execute Megatron for those actions I’m hard pressed to just believe the attack on Autobot city was the pervabal “Straw that broke the camels back”

And Optimus had the same opportunity to finally get rid of Megatron a few times between s1 s2.....always allowing him to escape

I only bring up the comic because it’s the opposite side of the coin....and on that regard it has a valid place in the conversation......At least as much as the argument that you are supporting

And I really could care less whether or not everyone thinks that had hot rod not interfered prime would’ve been able shot before Megatron could.....I’ll even give you that HotRod prevented Optimus from shooting

Horrid still isint to blame because Megatron should have never gotten his hands on a gun

You want to blame the (equivalent) of a kid, trying to help, but not the battle tested leader of an army, fighting a war for millions of years?

Un-Fucking-Believable for sure

If hot rods actions had allowed Megatron to get the gun I might at least see your point.....but Megatron already had the gun....a gun Optimus allowed him to reach

He caused his own death

 

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I can understand not being happy when your hero is killed. And it's an action scene so a lot of things happen fast, but Hot Rod came up from behind Megatron (not between Optimus and Megatron) so he never blocked Optimus his shot until Megatron grabbed him, Megatron had the gun in his hand (visibly) for two to three seconds before Hot Rod's "interferance", and Optimus had every chance to shoot, but didn't.

Pictures are more clear, second for second (it's from YouTube but I've checked the passed time on my DVD):

Time = 0:00
It starts with Optimus in the kill position: Megatron is completely defenseless and all Optimus has to do to kill Megatron, is press the trigger (something that should be instinct for a seasoned warrior fully aware of the guile of his long time enemy). Meanwhile, Megatron is reaching for a hidden gun



Next, Megatron grabs said hidden gun, bringing it out into the open and for Optimus to see -- the latter does not respond.

Time = 0:01
Then, in the next second: the gun is clealy in the open, Optimus still hasn't fired (even though he was in a kill position) and Hot Rod is just entering the frame from behind Megatron (OP is on his right side, HR enters the screen on Megatron's left side), drawing his attention away from Optimus. resulting in the gun going from an almost line of sight, to pointing away from Optimus:

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Time=0:02
Another second passes and Optimus still hasn't reacted (or shot Megatron) even though the gun Megatron grabbed has been clearly visible to Optimus for two whole seconds now. Megatron would've shot Optimus by now if Hot Rod hadn't distracted him (a new threat). Also important to note is that Hot Rod runs towards Megatron from behind him: he's in no way blocking Optimus his line of fire and thus not the reason why Optimus hasn't shot Megatron in the past two seconds or even now (while Hot Rod's approach is very much the reason why Megatron hasn't shot Optimus yet).


Only in the next instant, almost three whole seconds after Megatron grabbed the gun, does Hot Rod's presence make it impossible for Optimus to shoot Megatron. But there was no reason before this. Optimus, who was in such position that even a instintive spasm of his trigger finger would've killed Megatron the moment he moved suspiciously, did not fire his gun when Megatron grabbed that gun...nor the second after...nor in the next second. And never during that time was Hot Rod in the way.

And in a fight like this, every second counts...and Optimus wasted three seconds.

The only conclusion is that Hot Rod didn't cause Optimus his death; Optimus his own hesitation to fire (insticntively) did. Hot Rod even bought Optimus a few seconds of life, because if it hadn't been for his presence, Megatron would shot Optimus the moment he grabbed his gun.

 

Let's try to keep it civil here guys. If you disagree with someone, ignore them move on. There's no need for argument here.

 

Seems we must analyze both parties faults and strengths for a definitive answer. Using the mediums of the marvel comics and sunbow cartoon as separate canons