"I don't like the shade of purple on Nautica."

"idk man that's pretty ridiculous. Where's your research?"

 

Lol, no. It doesn't. But if you dislike something based on false information, or a gaggle of details that aren't even accurate to begin with, you may want to instead educate yourself. Dislike it after that all you want to, but at least do yourself the justice of disliking something based on valid reasons, not made-up BS.

Shit man. I'd totally allow you to have that opinion unchallenged. It's also not at all the same level of argument you've been going on about.

 

In my opinion, Roberts' use of Rung was a bit of an ego move. I never made any comments about how or when he planned it, why he did it, etc. I never made any claims that require any kind of research or facts. I just said his use of a character felt self-serving to me. All of the details about the character and my feelings about said details have been brought up in assumptions by other users. I never said anything beyond "to me, bla bla bla."

Thank you, O Great One, for allowing me to speak my mind. 'Tis an honor to know that me disliking one thing is more valid than another thing I dislike.

 

You're welcome. I am a benevolent God.

 

Robert's may a nice guy, but his defenders sure aren't.

 

I don't read IDW like that. All I know is Rung is an original character who is also Primus. I am really just expressing my opinion.

 

Dude, you constantly divebomb threads with variations on the same complaint, paying no attention to the way the argument is evolving or what points people have made. You picked up on the fact that I was using the term 'plot twist' - in its normal, correct sense - and jumped in with "So we're using the term 'plot twist' to make excuses for Roberts now!"

Do you not get that *that* is dickish behaviour? What right have you got to be offended by me saying your objections don't sound sane? You're not even trying to be reasonable.

Fair point, but while we're waiting for the new book to drop, I am curious about where these objections are really coming from, so I was trying to dig into it a bit.

No.

That's true, but claiming an author is an egotist does. Also, while it's fine to dislike something, it's useful to others to understand why that is. There are things we dislike which are just whimsical, and then there are preferences based on specific criteria or personal hopes and expectations. And I still don't really understand why Roberts re-using a name/character concept for his "Primus walks among us" idea bothers anyone.

 

Thats...not an opinion my dude. That is a statement about someone’s behaviour that you dont have the expertise or the authority to pronounce.
It is different in both degree and kind to one’s opinion about a robot’s paintjob for instance.

 

Neither are you.

 

IDK. Can you at least give me CMYK for the shade of purple? If not... You can't really state what shade of purple, right? Where's your research? :X

 

I just can't understand this logic at all. It's not like I said Roberts overall was an egotistical dude. I described that one of his actions appeared self-serving in my eyes. That's no different than you calling someone a jerk for doing X or Y. You don't need "authority and expertise" to comment on actions. If you just disagree and don't think the way I do, say it. Don't beat around the bush and jump through hoops to come up with a reason why I can't say what I want.

 

Just gonna weigh in here.

I liked Rung as Primus. I liked Primus as "just a bot." Okay so that's not entirely accurate--after all, he had special abilities no one else did and no one could explain them. But it adds a different dimension to the concept of Primus and his role as a God among Transformers. It's a nice change of pace from being a God of Order locked in a never ending cosmic struggle against a God of Chaos, since Primus and Unicron in IDW are just creations. Primus was just the first Cybertronian, and has no apparent connection to Unicron, who only exists because of Shockwave's actions. Rung ultimately isn't even important to the main storyline of IDW1 by the end.

Really, my only question surrounding Rung/Primus now is, if he is a creation, presumably of Vector Sigma, then who created Vector Sigma, and why? It's probably for the best that question wasn't answered.

 

OK, that's a bit easier to understand. I would still disagree, but I can see how one might think that Roberts at least had one eye, perhaps, on how central it makes Rung to the IDW continuity. Although I would put it to you that one of Roberts' big themes throughout MTMTE/LL was the butterfly effect: how marginal and easily missed things turn out to have an importance that everyone misses.

This is, to my mind, a wise and responsible message to lace into your story: that anybody and anything can turn out to have significance. It's a rebuke to all those grand narratives of history that cast most of us on the planet as faceless extras while a select few important individuals shape events.

 

I agree, that was always one of the best elements of Roberts' writing. He was able to have a theme that was sort of passively there throughout all of his work even while he developed other ideas. And I will reiterate: I liked the "Primus is one of us" idea. I thought it was a good twist. It only looks like I'm making a big fuss because people keep replying to me. Hell, I never even said anyone else was wrong for not thinking the way I did.

 

Hey man, thanks for the clarity. I apologize for misreading the context of what you were saying.

 

W

Writers have been doing this sort of thing since forever, so it doesn't bother me in any way.
Grant Morrison wrote himself into Animal Man.
Not a cipher, or an analogue, just himself, dressed and looking as he did at the time he wrote the books, with his own name.

 

Did he really have a power, or did he just have a purpose that nobody else did? I always figured Rung was just a specially created bot to help speed up the process of creating life. It would be like let's create a machine that speeds up the creation of other machines that we can use later. Then, eventually, they figured out how to make Vector Sigma send out hot spots, which meant that Primus wasn't needed for his original purpose anymore, but let's keep him around JUST in case something goes wrong. Yeah, he could repair himself quickly, but that can be explained with enhanced nanotech, or a self-contained CR type of technology that nobody thought to look for. He himself said he was mostly empty spaces.

 

Quints.

The only creatures in IDW continuity shown having sparks like TFs and hinted to be somehow involved with the past.

 

It's the same exact thing.

Uh... are you being serious? You tell the guy he is wrong by pretty much quoting the textbook definition of what an opinion actually is.

o·pin·ion
Dictionary result for opinion
/əˈpinyən/
noun

1. a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

lmao. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

I'm going to disagree. Disliking a piece of fiction and forming opinions about the author of said fiction is perfectly reasonable. There are plenty of writers that I can't stand based on idiotic subjective reasons. That's the point of an opinion, it's not meant to carry the same weight as a scientifically based hypothesis. It can made on a whim.

I do agree that an opinion backed with facts is much more desirable than one that isn't, but not having facts doesn't discount a person's views. Even if said views are idiotic (not calling AA idiotic - I mean in general).

 

This thread seems like a lot of fun.