More prequel to movie 1's script, but not really anything beyond that. Everything is different. Their motives for coming to Earth, the look of Cybertron, the look of the CHARACTERS, the fact that they seem to have no care regarding the Allspark, their means of travel to Earth, and a ton of other things. Think of it as a new series with some inspired plot from the first one, because that's what it is. If I had the money and time I'd go and see it multiple times more in the theater because it was that good.

You're an ass. You're just an ass.

 

why im sick and tired of one of my favorite series be famous for being terribly bad if lorenzo wants to expand the bayverse im done

 

This movie was good. Lorenzo said it's connected, but he also said he wants to make it all different. Which is exactly what he did with Bumblebee. Loose connection, but also vastly different in ways, which makes it a ton better. I just want good Transformers movies, I don't care how they do it.

 

i enjoyed the movie as well i just don't want the success of this film and the future tf films to be tainted by a series i really disliked, the only reason paramount would want to keep this in the same universe is if they wanted to continue from tlk at somepoint and i really dont want them to do that

 

Lorenzo said continuing from TLK was only a vague possibility, and he actually really doesn't like that story. He said it feels too "big" and "unrelatable", which I agree with him on. If a sequel to TLK were to ever be made, it would be because Paramount decided to be stupid.  

 

I wonder if a sequel to Bumblebee actually entails Bumblebee 2 or it's just a loose word to imply just another Transformers film in the Travisverse continuity like the Optimus Prime film or an ensemble Transformers film. I agree that a sequel to Bumblebee is not necessary (and they will really need to convince me with the story if they're going that route) but I'd love to see a OP film or an ensemble film maybe detailing how OP escaped Cybertron and what happens once the Bots get to Earth.

 

There's no actual news here, these are the same ideas we have heard in several articles. Just more propaganda pushing ideas the fandom doesn't want pushed masquerading as a news article.

We need more TransFormers and less of whatever this was supposed to be. You have another empty beginning and the powers that be can't see past their own greed, but hopefully we are smarter this time around. Nothing has changed other than some minor window dressing so continue to reject this with you wallet. You want some actual insight - they know they can't keep the cost down and the interest up so something has to give. They are stuck over a barrel as we speak.

 

I feel like the reboot route is inevitable. It's impossible for Paramount to ever want to go back to the "Bay continuity" even since TLK flopped sooo hard and so much shit happened BTS. You're looking at potential disaster if anyone thinks going back to where TF5 left off is profitable. Some stones should be left un-turned as the phrase goes.


I mean really think about; do you REALLY want to continue off from this?

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Personally, I'd love it if Megatron were a gun. I'd like to see a Megatron film based on 'Shooting Star!' from the Marvel comics.

 

So you must be the god of movies. You wrote the bible of cinema and hand out personal poop awards based on your opinions. First of all I am a Gwunner in my 40s. I love G1 and have been collecting CHUG for 10 years now as well as certain MP figures and some G1 vintage figures. But guess what ? I also love Bayverse. I love everything about it because its just f**king cool and a breath of fresh air into what was a previously cartoon only franchise. It was a fresh take on the franchise where the characters actually looked like aliens instead of walking oversized toys. And on another note, the first 2007 movie was actually my least favorite. Not because the script was any better or any worse. But because it had the least number of characters. Not to mention they found the most goofy ugly looking kid from middle America and tried to portray him as a heartthrob who somehow gets in Megan Fox's draws. Shia was a turd. But other that that I was a happy camper for all 5 movies. My personal favorite was ROTF because they introduced Baverse interpretations of many fan favorite characters...Sideswipe, Arcee, Devastator (a Bayverse combiner how awesome was that ? Cmon man, I even loved the twins they were funny as hell. It was just a great film especially for that time because it definitely topped the first. So if it was a turd to you, thats your opinion. For me movies like titanic, forrest gump, and dances with wolves are turds because they are boring as f**k. But im not the movie god. Thats just my opinion. Im just a mere mortal. It must be nice to be a god.

 

Um, what? I don't think anyone (well, anyone in this thread, anyway) is asking for that, @Nevermore .

As someone who grew up with Generation 1 and was gradually brought back into collecting through Beast Wars, Beast Machines, RID 2000 and beyond (TF: Animated had some of the best damn writing the franchise has ever seen), I can definitely say that my issues with the Bayverse were not because it wasn't "GEEWUN" enough. It had more to do with the fact that aside from most of TF2007 and parts of DOTM, the Bay movies have been utter garbage. Not because of the designs or effects (those were the highlights), but because of the reasons @Lore Keeper (I took a couple liberties with your post, hope you don't mind) actually laid out quite nicely:

Bumblebee actually took time to establish characters and didn't just treat all the Transformers (which these movies are named after, BTW) as a bunch of mindless grunting robots lubricating on humans and ripping each other's spines out. This movie is the only one where I felt like the Decepticons got any characterization at all.

If bad taste movies are your bag, there's a treasure trove of those. Just check out some Troma productions and old school B-Movies. Transformers shouldn't have been the vehicle for this type of film-making, and I will never be sorry that I, along with many others, feel that way.

And one last thing: just because these new designs make the characters more immediately identifiable and easier to follow during the action sequences does NOT mean they are "slavish G1", it just means that the designers took more care to take iconic elements of the original designs and incorporate them into what they are now. Sorry, but while I liked Bayverse Starscream, it is nice to see him - and the other Decepticons - not have friggin' insect faces and have more recognizable design cues.

 

Yep, and given that G1 is currently present just about everywhere in this franchise, I’d much rather have the designs that looke like “crumpled tin foil” (what an original talking point). This sort of attitude that you have is ironic given that the G1 fans have been pandered to pretty hard for the last 5-7 years or so.

 

Not your best passive aggressive response, you gotta admit. Billion dollar corporate machines could do better at being billion dollar corporate machines by selling the art consuming public some actual art. I believe that was the whole idea from the beginning, but what do I know? You know, that whole "giving people characters, stories and a mythology they can relate to, so they'll want to buy the toys". Those characters, stories and mythology is what most of us are here for, if not for just the toys. I don't understand how supporting billion dollar corporate machines at every turn they take, no matter what, is of any consequense to us, as people, unless we're getting paid to do so.

 

The thing is, I agree with you on the vast majority of things. You just lack the nuance to see the difference between "corporate shilling" and "having realistic expectations".

 

So wanting something to be good is "art house" and not "having realistic expectations"?   come on man

If this really is the majority attitude of the TF fanbase, maybe it does deserve to go down in flames.

 

Eh, they made a good movie out of Bumblebee, which was initially supposed to tie into the garbage heap that was TLK, so maybe they do have it in them to change course. I'm just trying to be hopeful about it. At worst, some of us finally got an enjoyable Transformers movie after TF2007, and if that is the case, I'm okay with that.

 

I'm glad we have a shot at good movies and I'm glad people are liking where things are headed. It's just that more often than not, people set their expectations unfairly high and then get falsely outraged over nothing.

 

Fair point. Hopefully Paramount is serious about the course correction they say they want to make.

 

what's wrong with expressing that you hope they'll take the good lessons learned from Bumblebee and continue applying them rather than extract the wrong lessons and continue down the bad path they've been heading down?

bumblebee is hardly "arthouse", but it's well made and sincerely told and obviously people are into it and it's doing well, so it is possible to succeed while doing something with care that is faithful to the original spirit while still being profitable. there is nothing unrealistic or naive about that.